Any plan to replace "request" and "moment"?

sdetweil

@0m4r said in Any plan to replace "request" and "moment"?:

What I mean is that if the module is removed from the “MM/node_modules” folder (the last “parent” level for all modules), every single module will most likely need to install it on its own node_modules folder. This is where I meant it may blow up the size of the MM installation (modules included!)

yeh, you have NO idea how big other stuff is already…

but, this is the design… there is virtual memory, and paging and … to offset these

now, remember, we are NOT making an installable bundle from all this, just a runtime layout

BKeyport

God, the alternatives to moment are head spinning. I don’t understand 'em, and can’t even get basic functions to work right within jsfiddle.net (Example: Date1 <= Date2 crashes jsfiddle)

For now, I’ve added package.json to both modules, and if needed, will update my install instructions.

MMRIZE

For the moment, maybe luxon or date-fns could be the alternative. (And there are several other modules also.)

However, After releasing TC39’s new proposal (currently stage 3. https://tc39.es/ecma402/), Browsers and NodeJS will have the native features of handling dates. So I would recommend waiting.

At this moment, native implementing moment’s features is not easy. Though Intl could handle many aspects of moment already, the unsolved big issue is, current Date and Intl features are still not perfect for localization, like weekOfYear, startdayOfWeek and so on. (Those will be solved by ECMA402)

0m4r

@mmrize agree to support native browser APIs, but I do also believe we cannot assume everyone is running an up-to-date system for their magic mirror.

One idea could be to provide a wrapper module to abstract the “behind the scene” tool to manipulate dates, but it may turn out to be quite of an effort and limiting the module developer.

cowboysdude

@mmrize Well we all know how ‘browsers supporting’ all work out LOL

Some do…some don’t.

sdetweil

@cowboysdude AND for mm, the calendar date work is done OUTSIDE the browser in the node helper. soooooo, still need something

MMRIZE

@cowboysdude @sdetweil
Fortunately, We need to consider only ‘Chromium’ and ‘node’ at most. (Firefox already implements almost-complete Intl features. For Safari… who cares.)
And in this case, Intl (and the Temporal in the future) suggests the STANDARD WAY how to handle date/time for L10N/I18N in Javascript environments(includes browsers and nodeJS). So I believe it has worthy looking inside.

Once (yesterday), I’ve tried to rewrite clock module and calendar module without momentjs or any other 3rd party library, only with Date and Intl.

The start was not so bad. I could rewrite many features with only Date and Intl.
Where I stuck was the showWeek config feature. It has to show the ordinal number of weeks of the year. To calculate ISOweek is not difficult. But in some areas, like the US. they never use the ISO system. damn!. To calculate the conventional US week number, additional pieces of information are needed. (read this.) Current Intl has not yet that feature. I’m waiting for Temporal and enhanced Intl releasing.

One solution might be to obtain additional information needed for conventional calculation from the user by configuration. At this point, I stopped rewriting. It needs to change config.js and that was not my first intention.

A usual solution might be to use 3rd party library like momentjs or luxon. It is easier.

However it’s good to read this from the momentjs (https://momentjs.com/docs/#/-project-status/future/) I agree to him, In the near future, native JS features Date, Intl, Temporal will be a standard.

sdetweil

@mmrize i don’t see whats so hard on week of the year.

what day of the week is 1/1, subtract that from 7, and then that is the start of the weekly cycle.
til you run out of days to count.

we don’t use it normally, but its still the week of the year. has nothing to do with month. that is a different scheme

my science teacher in high school had a great topic, measurement…
you can measure anything with anything… just record what the tool was

we were required to measure everything in broomstick handles, broomstick #1 in the lab to be precise.

we could subdivide broomstick #1 however we wanted to provide more accuracy, as long as we wrote down the algorithm. (divide by 3, 6, 10?.. , 1000 ml beaker height, whatever)

the last week doesn’t run over into a new year, it ENDS when the year ends.
just so happens that week #1 of the NEXT year is the same logical week, but who cares, as we started counting from 1 again.

MMRIZE

@sdetweil said in Any plan to replace "request" and "moment"?:

what day of the week is 1/1, subtract that from 7, and then that is the start of the weekly cycle.

ISOWeek is easy. Conventional week is the problem.

For example, in the United States, Sunday is the first day of the week. The week with January 1st in it is the first week of the year.

In France, Monday is the first day of the week, and the week with January 4th is the first week of the year. It means January 1st could be the last week of the last year sometimes. And Jan. 10th could be the first week in certain year.

And in other countries, there is also their own rule.

This might be important in some European countries, because they use week number in real life (“my vacation ends 23. Weeks“)

BKeyport

@mmrize I care about safari. 😢😢😢