[ORDER CLOSED] Two way mirror order in Germany

Goldjunge_Chriz

Hello community,

during the last months I read a lot here without beeing a member of this forum. The Magicmirror itself, your ideas and implementation is really facinating. You all do a great job, thank you.

Now, I am in the situation to give you something back and can help you to find the right glass for your magicmirror.

Short information about me: I am a Project Manager of an big german glass facade company. We process nearly 250.000 sqaremeters of glass every year. Through my Position, I have really good connections to the glass industry and was able to test some different samples during the last weeks. (first picture below)

Finally I found a glass, which is perfect for the Magicmirror. It is a combination between Spy Mirror and Sun Protection glass. It can’t be distinguished from a normal Mirror, the transmisson from behind is really good, it’s really thin and in this case really lightweight. The thickness of the Mirror is only 3mm and is unbelievable light (Calculation glassweight: area in squaremeters x thickness of the glass x 2,5 Example: A mirror with the measurements of 80x60 cm only weight 3,6 kg). I think this is the best mirror for our projects. (see the other 4 pictures, 2 x daylight outside , 2 x night outside)

Since the glass producer not supply his products to private individuals, I am able to order the mirrors through my company for you. The condition for an order is a min quantity of 20 squaremeters.

I opened this thread to help you finding the right mirror and to ask whether some of you are Interested in a bulk order. The gross price is 296 € per squarmeter including freight, energy costs and truck toll. I know, at first that sounds a lot, but when you calculate it for your nessasary mesurements (Height in meter x width in meter x 296 €, for example: 0,8m x 0,6m x 296 € = 142,08 Euro) I think the price is attractiv. The properties, espacially the thinness and the lightweight speaks for itself. The condition for each mirror is that your area must be more than 0,4 sqaremeter. This is necessary for the manufacturing process. The mirror can be produced millimeter-accurate. Shipping time from glass producer to me is about three weeks. then I will send it out to you or you can come to me and pick it up here.

I know that it is probably not the best price on market, but others sell 8mm thick mirrors which weight three times more than this one and the mirror surface looks darker than normal mirrors.

If there are enough interested members here, I wanna learn how to pack and send it out safety. Or you can come to me and pick it up by yourself too(Near Schweinfurt/Bavaria).

If you are interested, please comment this thread with your required measurements. Lets have a look, whether we can get the 20 sqaremeter.

I’m not a trader or something like that, in this case I can’t give you a bill. I only want to give you something back for the great support here. I hope I can help some of you.

Greetings

IN GERMAN

Hallo Community,

Ich bin schon seit einiger Zeit hier stiller Mitleser. Das Projekt Magicmirror selbst und eure Ideen und Umsetzungen sind wahnsinnig faszinierend. Ihr macht wirklich einen tollen Job! Danke dafür.

Nun bin ich in der Situation wo ich euch selbst etwas zurückgeben kann bzw. Euch bei der Glassuche eine neue Lösung präsentieren darf.

Kurz zu mir: Ich bin Projektleiter eines großen deutschen Glasfassadenbauers. Jährlich verarbeiten wir knapp 250.000 qm Glas. Aufgrund meiner Position im Unternehmen habe ich sehr gute Kontakte zur Glasindustrie und konnte die letzten Wochen viele Muster besorgen und diese testen. Hierzu habe ich euch ein Bild beigefügt, um den Testumfang zu veranschaulichen. (Siehe Bild 1)

Letztendlich habe ich ein Glas entdeckt, welches genau den Ansprüchen für den Bau eines MagicMirror entspricht. Hierbei handelt es sich um eine Mischung aus Spionglas und Sonnenschutzglas. Die Spiegelfläche ist nicht von einem normalen Spiegel zu unterscheiden, die Transmisson von hinten ist hervorragend, er ist sehr schmal und dadurch besonders Leicht. Da der Spiegel nur eine geringe Stärke von 3mm vorweist und dadurch unglaublich leicht ist (Die Formel zur Berechnung des Glasgewichtes lautet: Fläche in qm × Scheibendicke x 2,5, somit wiegt zum Beispiel ein Spiegel mit den Abmessungen 80x60cm nur 3,6 kg), handelt es sich meiner Meinung nach um die perfekte Lösung. (Siehe weitere 4 Bilder, 2 x bei Tageslicht, 2 x künstliche Beleuchtung bei Nacht draußen)

Da die Glaserei Ihre Produkte jedoch leider nicht für Privatanwender anbietet, könnte ich die Spiegel über die Firma bestellen. Die Bedingung hierfür ist eine Mindestabnahme von ca. 20qm. Das Glas ist ein Nischenprodukt, welches so normal nicht im Fassadenbau eingesetzt wird.

Ich habe diesen Thread eröffnet, um euch die Suche nach einem passenden Spiegel zu erleichtern und zu fragen, ob eurerseits Interesse an einer Sammelbestellung besteht.

Der Spiegel kostet 296 € pro Quadratmeter Brutto inkl. Fracht, Energie- und und Mautkosten. Dies klingt wahrscheinlich zunächst für den ein oder anderen nach sehr viel, aber wenn Ihr es für eure benötigte Größe berechnet (Höhe in m x Breite in m x 295 €, Als Beispiel der Spiegel von oben 0,8m x 0,6m x 295 € = 142,08 Euro), ist der Preis sicherlich attraktiv. Und die Eigenschaften, allen voran die Stärke und das Gewicht sprechen für sich. Voraussetzung ist, dass Ihr mit euren Maßen eine Mindestfläche von 0,4 qm generiert, da diese aus fertigungstechnischen Gründen erforderlich ist. Die Spiegel können Millimetergenau nach euren Ansprüchen gefertigt werden. Die Lieferzeit vom Lieferanten zu mir beträgt ca. 3 Wochen, von Zuhause aus würde ich es euch dann weiterschicken bzw. Könntet ihr es bei mir abholen.

Vielleicht gibt es auf dem Markt einen etwas besseren Preis, aber dann sind es 8mm dicke Scheiben, die das 3-fache wiegen und von der Spiegelfläche her etwas dunkel wirken.

Falls genug Interessenten da sind, würde ich mich mit dem Versand beschäftigen und wie ich es bruchsicher für euch verpacken könnte. Angeliefert werden die Spiegel bei mit zusammen auf einem Glasgestell. Den Versand würde ich euch dann zum Selbstkostenpreis anbieten. Eine Abholung Nähe Schweinfurt (Ziemlich Zentral in Deutschland) wäre auch möglich und bevorzugt.

Falls Interesse eurerseits besteht, kommentiert bitte diesen Thread mit euren Wunschabmessungen, damit ich sehen kann, ob wir die 20qm zusammenbekommen.

Ich bin weder Händler noch ein Unternehmer, daher kann ich euch auch keine Rechnung ausstellen. Ich möchte lediglich die Chance nutzen etwas zurückzugeben und hoffe ich kann den einen oder anderen weiterhelfen.

Viele Grüße

frog

Great idea! Will they ship to Spain?

sero

@frog : he (@Goldjunge_Chriz) will get all the mirrors and give it / ship it to the users, as far as I understood. Since he wrote his post in German and English, I guess / hope, that he’d be willing to send to users outside of Germany too 👍

@Goldjunge_Chriz
Wow, thank you so much for your post and offer! Your pictures look great and I’d love to get my hands on one of these mirrors :)
Since my setup / display of very thin, I’m highly interested in a thin mirror - 3mm sounds awesome!

So, in case this will happen: Where could I (and everyone else) pick up the mirror / where do you live (roughly 😀)?

Cato

Sounds interesting if you send to Norway!

@Goldjunge_Chriz he writes “Near Schweinfurt/Bavaria” almost at the end of the post.

yawns

Mirror glas looks good. Does it have sharp/rough edges? Or are they available polished/smoothened as well?

Dom1n1c

I ordered mine here:
https://www.myspiegel.de/spionspiegel-pg-2102.html

they are offering a mirror with 8mm thickness for 216€ / sqm
Shipping will cost 7,50€ they have own drivers, who are only tranporting glass/mirrors, so they have the knowledge.

BTW: The “Darkness of the mirror” is not present in my case.

DE: Du sagtest, ein 8mm Spiegel ist dunkler, hab mit einem dünneren Spiegel beim lokalen Glaser verglichen, kein unterschied.

yawns

@Dom1n1c said in Two way mirror order in Germany:

I ordered mine here:
https://www.myspiegel.de/spionspiegel-pg-2102.html

they are offering a mirror with 8mm thickness for 216€ / sqm
Shipping will cost 7,50€ they have own drivers, who are only tranporting glass/mirrors, so they have the knowledge.

Right, but the mirror they offer is way darker than the one offered by Goldjunge_chriz … at least the pictures look like that

Dom1n1c

@yawns I can not confirm this.

yawns

@Dom1n1c said in Two way mirror order in Germany:

@yawns I can not confirm this.

Oh, really? @DirkS for example says it is darker than ordinary mirrors

Cato

@yawns Where he say that?

lolobyte

Servus, danke für den hinweis! ich bin auch schon lange auf der Suchs nach einem vernünftigen Spiegel.
Bis heute nur im Ausland etwaige exemplare gefunden.

Hätte schon interesse an ein zwei oder drei Stück.

Hab einen bei ebay gekauft.

8mm glas, 232,50€ /m²,freier Versand, lieferung durch eigenen Fahrer des verkäufers.

English.
Hello, thank u very much for this info. I’m searchin for a very long time such a good quality of an two way mirror. The only one that i found was in the Netherlands, USA and GB.

I’ intresting in one. two ore more.

i have buy one from ebay 8mm glass, 232,50€ /m², free shipping by sellers own driver.

yawns

@Cato said in Two way mirror order in Germany:

@yawns Where he say that?

Hi Cato, https://forum.magicmirror.builders/topic/756/where-to-get-cheap-acrylic-mirror-from-in-germany/34
His comment is below the pictures.
Please note this is with regards to the myspiegel.de mirror, not the one offered in this thread!

done

@Goldjunge_Chriz
Your mirror looks very good! Crystal clear!

Since you seem to know about glass, can you tell me something about how the mirror is made?
I learned there are two ways.

One version of mirrors has an evaporated coating (aufgedampfte Beschichtung) as reflection material on the glass.

The other version works with a reflecting foil in the middle (Verbundglas).

The evaporated version might be vulnerable to scratches more than the foil which is protected by the glass.

Can you tell me about your glass?

Beh

Damn! The mirror glass looks awesome!

I’ll contact you for my next mirror! :D

Goldjunge_Chriz

@frog Yes shipping to spain would be possible but I don´t know how high the shipping costs are.

@sero The mirror can be picked up in Bavaria, near Schweinfurt. Schweinfurt is very central located in Germany.

@Cato Shipping to Norway is also possible. If you are interested, I want to check the shipping costs.

@yawns I contacted the glass suplier. The edges are rough cutted. Polishing is possible for 7,30 €/m

@Dom1n1c @yawns The mirror in the top right corner is the Mirror from the producer of MyMirror. In my opinion it is in the direct comparison a way darker. That´s normal, because the thicker the glass, the lesser is the transmisson. That is also a normal behavior of normal Float glass.

@lolobyte The problem is, that 8mm glass is realy heavy. Almost three times heavier. Also see my post above to @Dom1n1c @yawns about the transmisson.

@done this mirror has an evaporated coating on a special sun
protection glass. so it has two layers, which make this mirror so clear and great. Yes it is a little more volunable to scratches than glass with a reflecting foil inside (because the foil is between two glasses and you can´t get any contact with it). However the version with the foil in the middle is really heavy, because you have two glasses and also two times weight. If you use your mirror normal and don´t use a key or a really dirty sponges to clean the mirror,scratches are no problem with the offered mirror ;)

lolobyte

@Goldjunge_Chriz
Youre right. I Have exactly the same dimension 80x60cm.
I must say its heavy, yes, but id didn’t find any other sources.

What is approx. the price for a Mirror like yours?

Sweinfurt is not very far awy from my home.

I could pick them up in your business.

strawberry 3.141

@Goldjunge_Chriz for me the result looks really great, nice reflection and still having good readable ui of the modules. i would be interested to build a huge mirror with a display just in a corner, would be interesting to know if it is visible where the display ends or there is no clear border around it

bibi

@Goldjunge_Chriz thx for your offer! really cool. could you please let me know how much it would cost to send to swiss pls? thx

Goldjunge_Chriz

@lolobyte See my first post. The gross price is 296 € per squarmeter including freight, energy costs and truck toll. The condition for each mirror is that your area must be more than 0,4 sqaremeter.

@strawberry-3-141 With my monitor here and the one at work it is a seamless transition. I think it depends on your monitor.

@bibi This depends on the measurements you want. And than I need a good package for the mirrors. I will learn how to pack the mirrors if there are enough interested people to get the 20 squaremeter.

I think I will take a thick styrofoam plate (40mm), cut it in two pieces, mill a trough with the size of each mirror in one side and put them together again. I think this would be very safety for transportation and there is no problem with the shipping. What do you think about that? I would do the work for free for you all, I only want the costs for the styrofoam plate and the shipping costs to each of you everywhere here in europe :)

strawberry 3.141

@Goldjunge_Chriz would you describe the black of your monitor as bright or dimmed?