Read the statement by Michael Teeuw here.
ALT not doing anything
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@ankonaskiff17 yes, it’s the 64 bit os… SOOOOO we don’t know… we don’t test there. but it’s electron that is managing the keyboard in the browser
alt-spacebar has been working for 30 years.
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@sdetweil is the aarch64 what is telling you 64 bit?
I am about 95% sure that the other MM I referenced having built a couple of years ago is 64 bit also.
ALT on that MM brings up the toolbar as expected.
BUT…when I do ALT+Spacebar it does not give the same result.
The way I’m reading your comments ALT and ALT+Spacebar should give the same result, or did in the past.Not being a programmer many of these commands I am unaware of.
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@ankonaskiff17 I never tried alt by itself, ever.
yes aarch64 is 64 bit, armv7l is 32 bit
raspi 64 bit came out last year. was a beta before that… beta pretty unstable
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@sdetweil no,no it’s a 32Bits OS with X64 kernel
It’s now the new rule for 32Bits version
you can have 32bits kernel with 32bits Os by editing /boot/config.txt
and adding this line at the end:
arm_64bit=0result is:
pi@raspberrypi:~/MagicMirror $ uname -a Linux raspberrypi 6.1.21-v7l+ #1642 SMP Mon Apr 3 17:22:30 BST 2023 armv7l GNU/Linuxby default
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@sdetweil This is why ALT
In any case neither ALT, ALT+Spacebar or CTL+m allow me to easily move back and forth between configuring and checking the Magic Mirror.
This is all being done on Pi4B’s BTW.
I have formatted the sd card on the original Pi4B now 4 times and installed MM 4 times right behing the Pi OS fresh install. 64 bitAfter you made mention of 32 bit I took a second Pi 4B, installed 32 bit Pi OS and then right behind I installed MM
The existing, functioning MM is fine. I hit ALT and it does just what the attached picture says it should do.
So I have two Pi 4B’s, one of which is running 32 bit Pi OS and one running 64 bit Pi OS.
Neither will let me get access to the toolbar in any combination of keystrokes. -
@ankonaskiff17 “usage”, oh you mean the DOC… hahaha…
things change way too fast
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@sdetweil Hitting ALT always worked in the past and continues to work on the older MM. I don’t pull these things out of thin air. I get your point about documentation though.
You mentioned early in this conversation about that being something that is done in Electron. Electron is way beyond my knowledge level. But searching Google it seems that somewhere in Electron there istitleBarStyleand it is currently set tohidden. I haven’t a clue as to how to run that to ground but almost like someone was messing with the code trying to make a kiosk but didn’t do that locally. -
@sdetweil This is in regards to auto-starting MM.
When installing NPM per the documentation, do you install at ~$ or at/MagicMirror $
It isn’t real clear because half way through that sequence it has cd ~ which you could take to mean you are installing npm at the MagicMirror level then you back up to put the auto start script at root?I kinda-sorta think I understand what is going on with this ALT problem but I’m out of gas and will confirm in the morning.
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@ankonaskiff17 npm is installed globally (-g)
effectively as root… system widethe pm2 install for auto start is to execute the command output from the command, pm2 startup
and npm (node package manager). is what loads the dependencies listed in package.json (npm install) and then executes the command listed in the scripts section of package.json (npm start, or npm run xxxxx, see the list)
I posted the command line parms to launch chromium instead of electron, so try that and see what keyboard handling there is…
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@sdetweil It’s alive.
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@ankonaskiff17 which. prior, this w chromium, it’s Tuesday?
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@sdetweil I took two identical Pi 4B’s, formatted them intalled 64 bit PI OS on both.
Then installed MM 2.22.0 on one and 2.23.0 on the other.
No VNC or SSH, start to finish.2.22.0 I hit ALT (only) and the expected toolbar with VIEW then Toggle Full Screen and the Open Developer Tools come up as I am accustomed to.
2.23.0 exhibits that same unexpected behavior that started us down this road.
The whole ALT+F11 is WAY WAY beyond me but it does shrink the size of the MM overlay. Unfortunately it does not give you Open Developer Tools so that is a problem.
Beyond that, I am clueless. Why 2.22.0 works as desired and 2.23.0 doesn’t is way out beyond my level of knowledge.
I never got to the Chromium stuff you described but more than happy to run that down on the Pi with 2.23.0 on it.
Once I saw that 2.22.0 install give me what I wanted I was going see if I could repeat that. -
@ankonaskiff17 yes, the electron version changed between 22 and 23…
so, we are back to the original statement… something changed in electron…
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@sdetweil You won’t get any argument out of me on that score.
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@sdetweil I’m calling it a wrap for today but is there a way to make the developer tools to open that is not “open developer tools”?
I did something yesterday and that launched but when you move the mouse around it is like it is behind the MM window. If it wasn’t doing that you could right click page and bring that up up.
Reason I ask is I did see some Electron errors yesterday but I’ve seen them in past so I just ignored.
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@sdetweil Can you tell me how to easily capture/install the prior 2.20.0 version ether direct to the Pi I want to install MM on. I have two upcoming MM projects and while the one Pi is ready, it is going to be a simple build as far as MM’s go so will knock it out pretty quickly.
I have successfully installed that earlier version twice but still way more hunting and pecking than is desireable. Plus it would be good to know more generally.
Is
sudo rm -r MagicMirrorthe best way to remove the problematic2.23.0version? That is what I have been doing and since I have only just installed MM and no modules it seemed like that would do what I needed. -
@ankonaskiff17 you can rename it
mv MagicMirror new_name
later rm -rf MagicMirror to delete it
I posted on the github issue on how to git clone a tag
and where to find the tags
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@sdetweil Thank you.
I’ve piddled around with computers since THE computer was a Tandy Something Something I bought at a Radio Shack when they and hardware focused mom & pop computer stores were the only way to buy/build a NOT $7,000.00 IBM. There was an EGG Computer store as big as a Best Buy big box store in Charlotte, NC I used to go to and drool at all the hardware.
Been several multi-year gaps in there for sure but I can always rely on computers to tax my brain. Just like this.
I appreciate your help and patience.
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@sdetweil I assume it is on you all to resolve MM’s conflict with the newest version of Electron?
I could see that going both ways. If new version of Electron broke EVERYONE’s application that uses Electron is different than if it only breaks one or two applications. -
@sdetweil I went to the Github Issue to see what you wrote and I don’t see anything relating to to how to retrieve an older version of the repository. All my Googling I had found how each version has tag associated with it but I can’t find in the issue stream anywhere.
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