@r_______ said in Two way community order for all european countries - Open until 24 february 2019:

Hi,
if I order two mid-size-mirrors (haven’t calculated the dimensions yet), are there enough mirrors for you to order them?
regards, Reinhard

1-2 more User orders wouldn’t be bad, then we could start immediately :)

@regis
Thank you for your ideas and suggestions

@austrisv said in Survey: Decreased interest in my mirrors:

I would wonder, the requests in past - how much you had recurring clients vs new ones?
Could it be seasonal - less diy activities in winter (don’t know why though :D).

For myself - I order one from your previous “left overs” - was quite pricey,have to admit. But I spent a week of very intensive research of local capabilities in Latvia and the best what I could found was - applying film on regular glass.

Once received, the quality of mirror was outstanding. My first experience with them, but is such a wow feeling. (plus shipping packaging was perfect either - can understand it costs what it costs, but then it gets safely delivered).

Don’t know if/when I would be coming back ordering another one. I have a feeling I may eventually, but don’t know when. Long answer short - maybe need to be looking on smart home enthusiasts who has diy installations (like openhab and has), raspberries hanging around and have not thought of MM idea? Maybe having MMM binding in openhab/has libraries would provoke them to coming in magicmirror.builders community and users of your outstanding glass-mirrors? just 2c for brainstorm.

Thank you for your words :)

@yawns said in Survey: Decreased interest in my mirrors:

I see, that’s bad. What kind of webshop do you need, or what kind of features? There are several free shop solutions out there. All you need is a hosting provider and a domain.
Maybe Jimdo is a starting point: https://de.jimdo.com/website/onlineshop-erstellen/

Thank you. I already know such pages. The problem is that I need someone who is familiar with e-commerce. otherwise, such a relatively unprofessionally created site brings me nothing, since nobody finds it …

@yawns said in Survey: Decreased interest in my mirrors:

I agree to @strawberry-3-141
The active people in here build a mirror and continue supporting the community with new modules and error handling. But most likely they won’t build lots of mirrors. Other people around the world join the forum, ask some support questions and disappear once they are happy. And I’m pretty sure there are several people being interested in this project in the beginning but lose interest with time going on or their priorities change.
I ordered a mirror in your first batch of mirrors and it still is stored in the crate you used to send it. I don’t know if I ever will create a mirror and if the mirror glass will still fit the project, as the layout in my mind evolved.
Additionaly I think people are tempted buying a real mirror glass but are afraid of the costs compared to the usability factor. Investing several hundred euros in a project you don’t know if you will really use it is a show stopper.

What happened to your plan creating a webshop? Based on your revenue you could operate it as a Kleinstunternehmer.

I have already registered a “Kleinunternehmen” for the mirror sale. The idea with the webshop has died, as another user from the forum (who wanted to build this together with me) left me in the lurch. Unfortunately, I myself have no experience in creating a webshop.

@cr4z33 said in Survey: Decreased interest in my mirrors:

@goldjunge_chriz honestly speaking and at least imho your glass price is too expensive compared to what is ie the price of similar products (Pilkington MirroPane/MirroView or Saint-Gobain Antelio) by a local glass store.

I don’t know in Germany, but I can get here at a local industrial glass company a 130x80 cm 6mm Pilkington MirroView or a Saint-Gobain 6mm Antelio “Havana” for about € 120,00-130,00 instead of spending 400-500 for your glass (and we still need to add the shipping costs).

Not to mention that if we add the shipping cost again it becomes even more expensive, so expensive that someone might think 10 times before spending soooo much into a glass.

Please understand that I am just replying to your question and there’s no will to sound harsh. ;)

with this size it would be 370 euros ;) Please do not forget that your said mirrors weigh about 16 kg and my mirror in the mentioned size does not even weigh 8 kg ;) just to mention one of the advantages…

Of course I can understand that, but the price I can only change very little and have little room for maneuver. It is just a very special glass that is perfectly suited with its features for our mirrors, but if the users doesn’t want to afford this anymore and would rather make a few cuts here and there, I have to stop selling just as I wrote above. That’s why I’m doing this survey here to find out if I should continue my efforts or let the sale be entirely.

I started this thread to find out why the interest in my mirrors has decreased so much. 1-2 years ago, the interest was so great (I had several requests a day and was not able to serve all users) that I even considered buying a glass cutting machine for several thousand euros to be able to deliver the mirrors faster to you, I had considered renting a machine room and was in contact with several logistics companies to improve the logistic.

Unfortunately, the interest in the last six months has collapsed completely and I am glad that I did not make these investments. Now I want to contact you directly and ask, why is that so?

Maybe you can also give me some tips and help me to get things started again or tell me how the interest can be increased again?

I would be very happy about a lively discussion.

If the interest in the near future does not rise again, I have to stop the mirror deliveries unfortunately completely, because the effort and the other around are so no longer profitable.

Thank you for your help

Best regards
Chriz

@amozzhegorov said in Two way community order for all european countries - Open until 20 january 2019:

@goldjunge_chriz
Hi

It is possible to also order oval glass ? or only rectangular ?

Hi,

yes, that ist possible. Please take a look at this other thread from me: https://forum.magicmirror.builders/topic/5393/announcement-geometrical-forms-for-mirror-orders-goldjunge_chriz

Here you can get the information you need and also inform about the prices :)