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    • [ORDER CLOSED] Two way mirror order in Germany

      Hello community,

      during the last months I read a lot here without beeing a member of this forum. The Magicmirror itself, your ideas and implementation is really facinating. You all do a great job, thank you.

      Now, I am in the situation to give you something back and can help you to find the right glass for your magicmirror.

      Short information about me: I am a Project Manager of an big german glass facade company. We process nearly 250.000 sqaremeters of glass every year. Through my Position, I have really good connections to the glass industry and was able to test some different samples during the last weeks. (first picture below)

      Finally I found a glass, which is perfect for the Magicmirror. It is a combination between Spy Mirror and Sun Protection glass. It can’t be distinguished from a normal Mirror, the transmisson from behind is really good, it’s really thin and in this case really lightweight. The thickness of the Mirror is only 3mm and is unbelievable light (Calculation glassweight: area in squaremeters x thickness of the glass x 2,5 Example: A mirror with the measurements of 80x60 cm only weight 3,6 kg). I think this is the best mirror for our projects. (see the other 4 pictures, 2 x daylight outside , 2 x night outside)

      Since the glass producer not supply his products to private individuals, I am able to order the mirrors through my company for you. The condition for an order is a min quantity of 20 squaremeters.

      I opened this thread to help you finding the right mirror and to ask whether some of you are Interested in a bulk order. The gross price is 296 € per squarmeter including freight, energy costs and truck toll. I know, at first that sounds a lot, but when you calculate it for your nessasary mesurements (Height in meter x width in meter x 296 €, for example: 0,8m x 0,6m x 296 € = 142,08 Euro) I think the price is attractiv. The properties, espacially the thinness and the lightweight speaks for itself. The condition for each mirror is that your area must be more than 0,4 sqaremeter. This is necessary for the manufacturing process. The mirror can be produced millimeter-accurate. Shipping time from glass producer to me is about three weeks. then I will send it out to you or you can come to me and pick it up here.

      I know that it is probably not the best price on market, but others sell 8mm thick mirrors which weight three times more than this one and the mirror surface looks darker than normal mirrors.

      If there are enough interested members here, I wanna learn how to pack and send it out safety. Or you can come to me and pick it up by yourself too(Near Schweinfurt/Bavaria).

      If you are interested, please comment this thread with your required measurements. Lets have a look, whether we can get the 20 sqaremeter.

      I’m not a trader or something like that, in this case I can’t give you a bill. I only want to give you something back for the great support here. I hope I can help some of you.

      Greetings

      IN GERMAN

      Hallo Community,

      Ich bin schon seit einiger Zeit hier stiller Mitleser. Das Projekt Magicmirror selbst und eure Ideen und Umsetzungen sind wahnsinnig faszinierend. Ihr macht wirklich einen tollen Job! Danke dafür.

      Nun bin ich in der Situation wo ich euch selbst etwas zurückgeben kann bzw. Euch bei der Glassuche eine neue Lösung präsentieren darf.

      Kurz zu mir: Ich bin Projektleiter eines großen deutschen Glasfassadenbauers. Jährlich verarbeiten wir knapp 250.000 qm Glas. Aufgrund meiner Position im Unternehmen habe ich sehr gute Kontakte zur Glasindustrie und konnte die letzten Wochen viele Muster besorgen und diese testen. Hierzu habe ich euch ein Bild beigefügt, um den Testumfang zu veranschaulichen. (Siehe Bild 1)

      Letztendlich habe ich ein Glas entdeckt, welches genau den Ansprüchen für den Bau eines MagicMirror entspricht. Hierbei handelt es sich um eine Mischung aus Spionglas und Sonnenschutzglas. Die Spiegelfläche ist nicht von einem normalen Spiegel zu unterscheiden, die Transmisson von hinten ist hervorragend, er ist sehr schmal und dadurch besonders Leicht. Da der Spiegel nur eine geringe Stärke von 3mm vorweist und dadurch unglaublich leicht ist (Die Formel zur Berechnung des Glasgewichtes lautet: Fläche in qm × Scheibendicke x 2,5, somit wiegt zum Beispiel ein Spiegel mit den Abmessungen 80x60cm nur 3,6 kg), handelt es sich meiner Meinung nach um die perfekte Lösung. (Siehe weitere 4 Bilder, 2 x bei Tageslicht, 2 x künstliche Beleuchtung bei Nacht draußen)

      Da die Glaserei Ihre Produkte jedoch leider nicht für Privatanwender anbietet, könnte ich die Spiegel über die Firma bestellen. Die Bedingung hierfür ist eine Mindestabnahme von ca. 20qm. Das Glas ist ein Nischenprodukt, welches so normal nicht im Fassadenbau eingesetzt wird.

      Ich habe diesen Thread eröffnet, um euch die Suche nach einem passenden Spiegel zu erleichtern und zu fragen, ob eurerseits Interesse an einer Sammelbestellung besteht.

      Der Spiegel kostet 296 € pro Quadratmeter Brutto inkl. Fracht, Energie- und und Mautkosten. Dies klingt wahrscheinlich zunächst für den ein oder anderen nach sehr viel, aber wenn Ihr es für eure benötigte Größe berechnet (Höhe in m x Breite in m x 295 €, Als Beispiel der Spiegel von oben 0,8m x 0,6m x 295 € = 142,08 Euro), ist der Preis sicherlich attraktiv. Und die Eigenschaften, allen voran die Stärke und das Gewicht sprechen für sich. Voraussetzung ist, dass Ihr mit euren Maßen eine Mindestfläche von 0,4 qm generiert, da diese aus fertigungstechnischen Gründen erforderlich ist. Die Spiegel können Millimetergenau nach euren Ansprüchen gefertigt werden. Die Lieferzeit vom Lieferanten zu mir beträgt ca. 3 Wochen, von Zuhause aus würde ich es euch dann weiterschicken bzw. Könntet ihr es bei mir abholen.

      Vielleicht gibt es auf dem Markt einen etwas besseren Preis, aber dann sind es 8mm dicke Scheiben, die das 3-fache wiegen und von der Spiegelfläche her etwas dunkel wirken.

      Falls genug Interessenten da sind, würde ich mich mit dem Versand beschäftigen und wie ich es bruchsicher für euch verpacken könnte. Angeliefert werden die Spiegel bei mit zusammen auf einem Glasgestell. Den Versand würde ich euch dann zum Selbstkostenpreis anbieten. Eine Abholung Nähe Schweinfurt (Ziemlich Zentral in Deutschland) wäre auch möglich und bevorzugt.

      Falls Interesse eurerseits besteht, kommentiert bitte diesen Thread mit euren Wunschabmessungen, damit ich sehen kann, ob wir die 20qm zusammenbekommen.

      Ich bin weder Händler noch ein Unternehmer, daher kann ich euch auch keine Rechnung ausstellen. Ich möchte lediglich die Chance nutzen etwas zurückzugeben und hoffe ich kann den einen oder anderen weiterhelfen.

      Viele Grüße

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    • RE: [ORDER CLOSED] Two way mirror order in Germany

      Hey guys, I’m pleased to inform you that the mirrors have arrived today :)

      I have already picked them up and put it in my garage for packaging. Today I spent another 2-3 hours to unpack the mirrors, measure them, label each mirror with the correct name, sort and unload all the pieces. Now I have a good overview and tomorrow I will begin to pack the mirror in air cushion film :) Here are 2 pictures of today ;)

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      On the mirrors is still a protective foil, so you can´t see the right mirror surface yet (the mirrors seem a bit darker than they really are) ;)

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    • RE: [ORDER CLOSED] Two way mirror order in Germany

      Have built some crates today :) It is a lot of work but in this way guarantees that nothing will be broken :) here some pictures to keep you up to date ;)

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    • RE: [ORDER CLOSED] Two way mirror order in Germany

      @frog Yes shipping to spain would be possible but I don´t know how high the shipping costs are.

      @sero The mirror can be picked up in Bavaria, near Schweinfurt. Schweinfurt is very central located in Germany.

      @Cato Shipping to Norway is also possible. If you are interested, I want to check the shipping costs.

      @yawns I contacted the glass suplier. The edges are rough cutted. Polishing is possible for 7,30 €/m

      @Dom1n1c @yawns The mirror in the top right corner is the Mirror from the producer of MyMirror. In my opinion it is in the direct comparison a way darker. That´s normal, because the thicker the glass, the lesser is the transmisson. That is also a normal behavior of normal Float glass.

      @lolobyte The problem is, that 8mm glass is realy heavy. Almost three times heavier. Also see my post above to @Dom1n1c @yawns about the transmisson.

      @done this mirror has an evaporated coating on a special sun
      protection glass. so it has two layers, which make this mirror so clear and great. Yes it is a little more volunable to scratches than glass with a reflecting foil inside (because the foil is between two glasses and you can´t get any contact with it). However the version with the foil in the middle is really heavy, because you have two glasses and also two times weight. If you use your mirror normal and don´t use a key or a really dirty sponges to clean the mirror,scratches are no problem with the offered mirror ;)

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      Goldjunge_Chriz
    • RE: [ORDER CLOSED] Two way mirror order in Germany

      I would like to inform you again that the list will be closed this evening at 10 pm. All unconfirmed orders will be deleted at this time and changes will no longer be possible. New orders with pick up will be accepted until today at 10 pm with immediate confirmation. I am very happy to present your mirrors soon and wish you a nice Sunday :)

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    • RE: [ORDER CLOSED] Two way mirror order in Germany

      Good news guys :) the payments are now all arrived and complete. I will make the order tomorrow morning immediately :) It will then take about 3 weeks until the mirrors arrive at me;)

      A big thank you goes to @ferby09, @Jeff and @sero who give a small tip.
      And a very special thank you goes to @webmasterrm , who gave a bigger tip. Very nice gest of you, thanks :)

      posted in Hardware
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    • RE: [ORDER CLOSED] Two way mirror order in Germany

      Enough done for today :100: tomorrow it goes on ;) I have a few very nice gifts for you in my garage :D

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    • RE: [ORDER CLOSED] Two way mirror order in Germany

      @strawberry-3-141 both have a contrast of 1000:1 and a brightness of 200 cd/qm

      @bibi the light transmisson is approx. 24 %. You can Order too, but the minimum calculation area of the mirror is 0,4 qm. That means, if your mirror is smaller than that the glass Supplier can make it but you have to pay the Price for 0,4 squaremeter.

      posted in Hardware
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    • RE: [ORDER CLOSED] Two way mirror order in Germany

      @Ashidian
      Currently a total of 4 payments are still missing. 2 of which are still missing completely and the other two were not in the sum completely :) the order I have already prepared on my table lie. As soon as all payments have arrived, I’ll send the order straight out :) I think it will be the latest Wednesday. I will keep you up to date ;)

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    • RE: [ORDER CLOSED] Two way mirror order in Germany

      Yes the art forwarding was yesterday here, however his transporter was not adequately prepared. That was then too uncertain to give him the mirrors. He will build a device tomorrow to safely transport the mirrors. The security of your mirrors is the most important!

      posted in Hardware
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    • RE: Two way mirror order for Europe - Orders closed!

      Here are a few new photos of me at different times of the day (daylight, room lighting, dark) for all interested people. I baptized the glass “MagicGlass” :D

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      @Hawking
      I think the pictures also answer your question ;) My mirror is also bigger than the display

      posted in Hardware
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    • RE: [ORDER CLOSED] Two way mirror order in Germany

      @Goldjunge_Chriz said in [ORDER CLOSED] Two way mirror order in Germany:

      @olexs
      I use a Led monitor from the manufacturer dell.

      The degree of reflection depends, of course, also on the light conditions in the room. A perfect mirror for all possible exposure modes is not available due to the special effect. The effect of a spy mirror comes through the refinement and therefore there are so many different transmission values. A spy mirror can and will never be an exact copy of an “normal” mirror. But this Spy mirror is the best mirror I’ve seen so far and I’ve really tested a lot. It simply offers the best compromise of all application types. You can’t buy a car that has 1000 hp and only 2 liters of petrol consumption ;)That can not even be built by the worlds best car manufacturer, if you understand what I mean :) the mixture is the most important ;)

      Does your room have daylight? Can you adjust the lamps? You just have to play a Little with the light conditions :) your picture confuses me also because the font Looks so blue. In my mirror it is for example absolutely white. Please try some different Settings until you find the best solution for you :)

      Here is a comparison picture with a normal hand mirror. The Spy mirror is a little bit darker but that did not troubled me personally.

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    • RE: [ORDER CLOSED] Two way mirror order in Germany

      Okay let’s go back to english. I thank you very much for your kind and appreciative words. I am really trying to make you all happy. Therefore I am very happy about every praise. Of course, I would like to stick to the point and continue to help you, but for free I can not continue to operate. I think that everyone can understand. Therefore, if the thing goes on, I have to start a small business and, of course, also calculate a small profit / work compensation. I’m currently on it :)

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    • RE: Two way mirror order for Europe - Orders closed!

      New additional insights about the mirror glass we could make from the first order:

      • The mirror glass works easily with cameras and motion detection systems behind it
      • The mirror glass can easily be glued for the frame-free use.

      :)

      posted in Hardware
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      Goldjunge_Chriz
    • *NEW LIST 29.06.2021* Two way community order for mirror glass for all european countries - Open until at least 10 people have entered

      Hi Guys,

      time for the next big collective order here in the forum :) This time, however, without a fixed deadline, but with a minimum number of users :)

      for all who do not know me yet, in the first post of this thread I have presented myself in detail:
      https://forum.magicmirror.builders/topic/1011/order-closed-two-way-mirror-order-in-germany

      The offered mirror is very popular here in the forum and the resonances are very positive. Meanwhile, I have already shipped almost 100 mirrors to the users here in the forum ;)

      Here are a few reviews, which I received by private message. Other reviews and informations are also available in the respective threads:

      https://forum.magicmirror.builders/topic/2016/two-way-mirror-order-for-europe-orders-closed
      https://forum.magicmirror.builders/topic/1011/order-closed-two-way-mirror-order-in-germany
      https://forum.magicmirror.builders/topic/4816/closed-two-way-community-order-for-europe-open-until-19-november-2017
      https://forum.magicmirror.builders/topic/6804/done-new-two-way-community-order-for-all-european-countries-open-until-03-june-2018
      https://forum.magicmirror.builders/topic/8605/two-way-community-order-for-all-european-countries-open-until-24-march-2019

      User: Beh
      Hi Chris, My mirrors arrived some days ago. They really look astonishing! thanks for all your work! If you need any help for making your online shop work, I’d offer my manpower to help you to get more people to this awesome glass! Let me know, if you need anything. greetings!

      User: MyMirror
      Hi Chriz,
      i get the mirrors for Luttich and me and they looked great. Even though it took some time, i would like to thank you for your time and effort. THANKS

      User:kurt
      Hi Chris your mirror arrived yesterday unbroken! Thanks a lot for the imense effort. As my english is not so good…vielenvielen Dank für die Mühe die du dir gemacht hast. Wann immer in meinem Freundeskreis die Rede von MagicMirror ist, muss ich deinen Beitrag und Einsatz zu diesem Projekt erwähnen. Nochmals vielen Dank und es wird zwar noch eine Weile dauern bis der Spiegel an der Wand ist, aber wenn es soweit ist, kommen natürlich ein paar Fotos ins forum. LG. aus Wien

      User: BenElMarine
      Hi Chriz, danke für den Spiegel. Ist am Samstag hier unversehrt eingetroffen. Sieht super aus

      User: MrGrape
      Hi Chriz, my mirror also arrived in The Netherlands today. I’m impressed by the way it was packed, very nice work! Many thanks for everything, looking forward to test it the coming weekend!!

      User: Rudibarani
      the packaging was kind of a masterpiece in itself!

      User: derRAV3N
      just got my mirror a few minutes ago. Now I just need a proper way of opening the package. Good job on that 🙂

      Edit: got it out of the package. Looks great. Thank you.

      User: buzztiger
      Thanks to Chriz for providing this service. My mirror arrived as well

      User: qu1que
      Hello @ Goldjunge_Chriz, I also received the mirror today. I liked it a lot, only that I had made up the idea that it was a little thicker, but even better for the piece of furniture that I am building (I will put pictures in the “show your mirror” section of the forum when is finished).

      User: CHAK47
      beautifully packed!

      User: Rebart
      Hello, i got my mirror. Everything is perfect. Thanks

      and so on… :)

      Here you will find a video of the user mantha, who used my mirror for his project.
      https://forum.magicmirror.builders/topic/2728/my-smartmirror-based-on-goldjunge_chriz-glass

      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

      For this new order the following requirements are valid:

      • All users from Europe are welcome
      • The acceptance is until at least 10 people have entered the list
      • No self-collection, only shipping

      The known conditions from the last orders are still valid:

      • 355 € / m²
      • 9 € per meter polished edges.
      • Shipping within Germany (max. 110cm x 80cm) 49.90€
      • Shipping to BE, NL, LU, FRA, AT, PL, DK, EE, FI, FR, UK, IE, IT, LV, LI, LT, MC, PT, SE, SK, SI, ES, CZ, HU (max. 110cm x 80cm) 79.90€

      Shipping surcharge for shipping XXL size (Europe-wide / max:
      2x short side + 1x long side less than or equal to 270cm) 20.00 €

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      Additional insights about the mirror glass:
      • The mirror glass works easily with cameras and motion detection systems behind it
      • The mirror glass can easily be glued for the frame-free use.

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      If you are interested, please register in the list below. If you do not know how to enter the list, contact me directly, so I can register you.

      Please use the old Threads for further information and pictures of the glass:

      https://forum.magicmirror.builders/topic/2016/two-way-mirror-order-for-europe-orders-closed
      https://forum.magicmirror.builders/topic/1011/order-closed-two-way-mirror-order-in-germany
      https://forum.magicmirror.builders/topic/4816/closed-two-way-community-order-for-europe-open-until-19-november-2017
      https://forum.magicmirror.builders/topic/6804/done-new-two-way-community-order-for-all-european-countries-open-until-03-june-2018
      https://forum.magicmirror.builders/topic/8605/two-way-community-order-for-all-european-countries-open-until-24-march-2019

      Best regards
      Chriz

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    • RE: *NEW LIST 29.06.2021* Two way community order for mirror glass for all european countries - Open until at least 10 people have entered

      we are still waiting for gdr2404. It would now be unfair to take further steps without him even though he has now waited a few weeks / months too. We do not exclude anyone, maybe he is on a business trip or something and therefore can not answer at the moment :) If he has not reported by next Tuesday, we can continue without him. Nur before that I want to give him this time :)

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    • RE: *NEW LIST 29.06.2021* Two way community order for mirror glass for all european countries - Open until at least 10 people have entered

      short update for you:

      yesterday I finally received the last payment and ordered the mirrors right away. According to the current status, these should arrive on July 13, 2020. In the meantime, I will prepare the wooden boxes so that I can distribute the mirrors to you immediately and without much delay :)

      Best regards
      Chris

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      Goldjunge_Chriz
    • RE: *NEW LIST 29.06.2021* Two way community order for mirror glass for all european countries - Open until at least 10 people have entered

      Update: Mirrors have been picked up and are on their way to you ;)

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      Goldjunge_Chriz
    • RE: *NEW LIST 29.06.2021* Two way community order for mirror glass for all european countries - Open until at least 10 people have entered

      Hello everyone,

      because I am currently unable to buy essential material for the construction of the boxes due to the lockdown here in Germany (which according to the current status will last up to and including February 14th), I will leave the list open until this date and hope that I can buy the material again until then.
      I would like to apologize to everyone who is waiting and ask for your understanding. Unfortunately, however, I also have no influence on the current situation and have to submit to our country’s decisions. I hope you can understand that and you still have some patience. Thanks in advance.

      Best regards
      Chris

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    • RE: *NEW LIST 29.06.2021* Two way community order for mirror glass for all european countries - Open until at least 10 people have entered
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      5 @Nunika 1.20 0.75 0.90 0.90 Austria polished edges ✓
      6 @DeanoNoire 0.7 0.6 0.42 0.42 Czech Republic - ✓
      7 @tonganiko 1.3 0.7 0.91 0.91 France polished edges ✓
      8 @nunoary 0.735 0.435 0.32 0.4 Portugal polished edges
      9 @InternetPolice 1.5 0.6 0.9 0.9 Germany polished edges ✓
      10 @txula 1.1 0.8 0.88 0.88 Spain - ✓
      11 @discoernie 0.7 0.5 0.35 0.4 Germany polished edges
      12 @lotman9000 0.7 0.5 0.35 0.4 Germany polished edges
      13 @Stinger0815 0.92 0.535 0.49 0.49 Germany polished edges ✓
      14 @creatvt 1.1 0.7 0.77 0.77 Germany polished edges ✓
      15 @frias 1.5 0.6 0.9 0.9 Sweden polished edges ✓
      16 @OberfragGER 0.794 0.642 0.51 0.51 Germany ✓
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