@Fifteen15Studios When the price of Pi’s come down, more people will start buying Pi’s.
As the volume of 4B sales increase, the subset of purchasers installing MM software onto these new Pi’s is going to increase and probably significantly.
I never said it was hardware based.
I said the decreasing price of Pi’s will show up in the number of complaints.
I was the one who originated the thread.

When Pi 4B’s are selling for ridiculously high prices that means less people are going to buy them. How many $200.00 Pi 4B’s did you or members of this forum buy?
You have this demographic of people that buy 4B’s, Pi’s are used for a multitude of different projects. A subset of 4B purchasers build Magic Mirrors.
When the price of Pi’s get stupid high, less people are going to buy 4B’s across the board. Consequently the subset of 4B purchasers who paid $200.00 for a 4B to build MM’s probably tailed off to near zero.
As Pi 4B price decreases, sales will increase across the board. That subset of Pi purchasers that are MM builders will start increasing.
As MM builds increase, since the problem hasn’t been solved as far as I know, more people will start complaining “ALT doesn’t work”.

In that economic respect the price of Pi’s will increase the number of people complaining.
I stand by my economic statement.

I can build my digital picture frame without going though a bunch of gyrations and that was my goal so I’m content. 3 - 4 days ago that looked grim.

Now to look into your comment about a server for all my pictures and see what that requires.
Stuff I’m likely ignorant of at this moment I’m sure.

@sdetweil This is where ALT comes from. First one I built I did on my own with no guidance and I expect it is why you have seen other people saying ALT doesn’t work anymore. I can only work off the documentation. Documents said hit ALT key, I hit ALT key and it works.

@sdetweil Now if I had a magic wand I could wave and this ALT issue would go up in a puff of smoke that would be nice too.

@sdetweil I was mainly curious to understand how it broke.
I look at these MM’s as these totally encapsulated hardware/module systems where say you built one two years ago, used whatever rendition of Pi+MM+modules were out at the time. You plugged it in and off to the races.

IF you leave it alone, don’t update Pi, don’t update MM, it should run forever (technically) until something in the hardware breaks.

So I’m always intrigued as a learning thing for me is just to understand what were the circumstances around “It has run for years and It just quit working”

@Dracarys What is Update/Upgrade?
Just sudo apt update the then sudo apt full-upgrade or something different? Seems odd that other modules stopped working, you updated Pi OS, I assume and now DHT sensor quits.
What is status of the other modules that were broken that prompted an update.

@lnicaodh If it is any consolation I have 3 Pi4b’s and 1 Pi3B and they all exhibit the same behavior.
Ive done automated installs, manual installs 64 bit, 32 bit, and none of them function by hitting ALT key.
F11 will reduce size on MM screen so you can get at file manager and Shift+CTL+I will launch developer tools.

I suspect as prices continue to drop on Pi’s this is going to show up more and more.

@MMRIZE I know all about 3rd party modules, some of which are well built, some others, not so much.
Just reaching out to people who may have already done same sort of project to avoid picking one of the not so good modules.

Kind of like Amazon, I don’t want to find 3 pieces of inferior product before stumbling on the quality module.

@sdetweil Kind of my thinking too.

@sdetweil I’m going to take a crack at loading a personal calendar but have a question that maybe you can answer. really relates to the Google side of things.

Google has public and or share with certain people that I equate to a private view.
In a home network environment is there a tangible benefit of one over the other. Both are hopefully behind a firewall, you are using good password security.
Everyone in IT security always going to default to private being safer and I do not disagree but curious if there is a real difference since you are hopefully doing the proper security within your home network

@Elkanah Glad I could help.
You can stack modules one after the other because in some respects something like top_left has no bottom. You can have modules below the bottom of the physical monitor.
If you want modules in a particular order, arrange them that way in config.js

If you are looking for a particular color or say colors that compliment each other you can do a search on “hex color codes” and you will get the hex nomenclature for every color imaginable. Some colors you can just say “black” or “white” and that will work but I’ve personally stuck with using the hex codes for the most part.

@magmar There is a product out called Screen Beam that does the same thing but instead of using AC wall sockets it uses your existing coax cable as an ethernet cable.
Those devices that send data over your AC copper wire have been out for a while but they’ve never really caught on.

@sdetweil I take advice anywhere I can find it. I just meant that I don’t need to just search on the MM 3rd Party module page that Github is also fertile ground.

@sdetweil I asked question because I learned way back that programs are VERY unforgiving when you put a period, colon, semicolon, anything out of place. you have no idea how often things like colons or semi-colons have whipped me for hours.

@sdetweil Any functional difference between updateInterval and fetchInterval

@sdetweil That was a good memory jogger because I had completely forgotten about the broken calendar issue.
I suspect I will go with a second calendar module like before

@sdetweil My issue was a bit more complicated.
My PRIMARY calendar is my phone but it is Samsungs built in calendar not Google calendar
I was hopping in and out Samsung, Google and Outlook although I don’t remember the sequence of hops.
I was dumbfounded that it even worked at the time.
One of those things where only so many minutes in the day so it was relegated to back burner status.

@sdetweil I had used a second calendar module to pull in my personal calendar information and was using the ical link that you can get off of Google if I remember correctly.
Sort of along the lines of using multiple weather modules for daily and hourly.

Then Google did something that broke the module. I fought with it for a while, gave up and have never tried to get it back running again.

@sdetweil Back when I first started messing with MM’s the calendar module was faulting out towards the end of that calendar year and it turned out that however many I had set as how many to show, say for example 5 holidays but at some point there were not 5 holidays left in the year but CL had not yet published the next years calandar.

My config.js is wanting 5 holes it needed to fill, there weren’t 5 holidays left so down it would go.

That calendar, because it is US Holidays, behaves like a photograph. It is static. There is no need to have it looking for changes like a volatile personal calendar that is going to change continuously.

US Holidays you could have a fetchInterval: ONCE EVERY 3 MONTHS and it would still be overkill. Some of your religious holidays like Easter float around because they aren’t date oriented. But even it has been calculated in advance
It doesn’t require the same level of refreshing as where someone is pulling in their personal Google or Outlook calendar where things like doctors appointments, dinner dates will change quite rapidly…

@ankonaskiff17 I meant the one where you use the version tag. Not the one that
alternative Installation methods is in . That pulls in the current version which is causing me problems with the ALT key

git clone -b v2.19.0 https://github.com/MichMich/MagicMirror.git mm2.19

I was unsure if git clone -b v2.19.0 https://github.com/... was going to install node.js, or PM2 so I did those portions of manual installation.