Help Translating Word Clock

Atteraxol · Aug 21, 2017, 9:03 AM

@j-e-f-f I found this german word clock. Could be a help for the layout of the words.

A Former User · Aug 21, 2017, 1:55 PM

@j.e.f.f

word clock for CJK

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General

Chinese, Japanese, Korean fonts are composited by multi-byte characters
They use 12H system, but in military, science and public service, 24H system is also used.
In 24H system, they use 00 hour, but usually in 12H system, they call it 12 hour.
e.g) 12:10 is called pm 12:10, 00:10 is called am 12:10.
Traditionally they use dawn-morning-daylight-evening-night time slot system, but the borders between slots are very ambiguous, therefore am and pm system is more normally used nowadays.
Unlike the known, Chinese, Japanese and Korean are not kin-languages. They have no embryological and lingual relation each other. But they shared so many words because they had used same characters historically.
Chinese and Japanese don’t use whitespace between words, but Korean do. However, You don’t need to consider that point in wordclock.
They read numbers as 10-based decimal digits not 12-based duodenary like Western. And they read numbers from left to right always without exception.
in CJK, reading multi-digits numbers are based on 10-digits multiplication.
So, from 1 to 9 is just read as 1 - 9, and 10 is 1 * 10, 100 is 1 * 100 and you can calcluate how it goes. (e.g. 123 is 1*100 + 2 * 1*10 + 3)

number		Chinese	Japanese	Korean
1		`一`	`一`	`일`
10	(1 * 10)	`十`	`十`	`십`
11	(1 * 10) + 1	`十一`	`十一`	`십일`
12	(1 * 10) + 2	`十二`	`十二`	`십이`
20	2 * (1 * 10)	`二十`	`二十`	`이십`
21	2 * (1 * 10) + 1	`二十一`	`二十一`	`이십일`

Japanese

The only serious problem is that Japanese KANJI(borrowed characters from Chinese) string could be read differently in each context. However, We don’t need to consider how the text is read and pronounced. ^^; It’s none of our business.
They don’t use white spaces between words, but in this document, I add space for your understanding.

Japanese clock scheme

Simplest Version

{
  'timeslot' : {'午前', '午後'}, // 'am', 'pm'
  '10hour' : {'十'}, // '1*10' 
  'under10hour' : {'一', '二', '三', '四', '五', '六', '七', '八', '九'}, // '1', '2', '3', '4', '5', '6', '7', '8', '9'
  'hoursymbol' : {'時'}, // 'hour'
  'over10min' : {'二', '三', '四', '五'}, // '2', '3', '4', '5'
  '10min' : {'十'}, // '1*10'
  'each5min' : {'五'}, // '5'
  'minutesymbol' : {'分'}, // 'minute'
}

example)
am 01:00 => 午前一時
am 02:05 => 午前二時五分
am 03:10 => 午前三時十分
am 04:15 => 午前四時十五分
am 05:20 => 午前五時二十分
am 06:25 => 午前六時二十五分
pm 07:30 => 午後七時三十分
pm 08:35 => 午後八時三十五分
pm 09:40 => 午後九時四十分
pm 10:45 => 午後十時四十五分
pm 11:50 => 午後十一時五十分
pm 12:55 => 午後十二時五十五分
That’s all.

Is it too easy? Here is more formal version.
Formal Version

{
  'phrasestart' : {'今は'}, // 'Now, it is...'
  'timeslot' : {'午前', '午後'}, // 'am', 'pm'
  '10hour' : {'十'}, // '1*10' 
  'under10hour' : {'一', '二', '三', '四', '五', '六', '七', '八', '九'}, // '1', '2', '3', '4', '5', '6', '7', '8', '9'
  'hoursymbol' : {'時'}, // 'hour'
  'justat' : {'定刻'}, // 'just, sharp at hour'
  'halfhour' : {'半'}, // 30min
  'over10min' : {'二', '三', '四', '五'}, // '2', '3', '4', '5'
  '10min' : {'十'}, // '1*10'
  'each5min' : {'五'}, // '5'
  'minutesymbol' : {'分'}, // 'minute'
  'before' : {'前'}, // to use XX min before hour
  'phraseend' : {'です。'}, // ending symbol of phrase
}

You can add '今は' and 'です。' for making full sentence.
It is am 02:05. => 今は午前二時五分です。
You can use '定刻' after hoursymbol for displaying ‘just at hour’.
It is exactly am 01:00. => 今は午前一時定刻です。
You can use '半' for displaying half-hour.
It is pm 07:30. => 今は午後七時三十分です。 => 今は午後七時半です。
You can use '前' for small minutes before hour. (usually below 15 minutes)
5 mins before => '五分前'
10 mins before => '十分前'
15 mins before => '十五分前'
It is pm 10:45. => 今は午後十時四十五分です。 => 今は午後十一時十五分前です。

Korean

It is same with the formal Japanese version, but with Korean own characters.

{
  'phrasestart' : {'지금은'}, // 'Now, it is...'
  'timeslot' : {'오전', '오후'}, // 'am', 'pm'
  '10hour' : {'열'}, // '1*10' 
  'under10hour' : {'한', '두', '세', '네', '다섯', '여섯', '일곱', '여덟', '아홉'}, // '1', '2', '3', '4', '5', '6', '7', '8', '9'
  'hoursymbol' : {'시'}, // 'hour'
  'justat' : {'정각'}, // 'just, sharp at hour'
  'halfhour' : {'반'}, // 30min
  'over10min' : {'이', '삼', '사', '오'}, // '2', '3', '4', '5'
  '10min' : {'십'}, // '1*10'
  'each5min' : {'오'}, // '5'
  'minutesymbol' : {'분'}, // 'minute'
  'before' : {'전'}, // to use XX min before hour
  'phraseend' : {'입니다.'}, // ending symbol of phrase
}

It is exactly am 01:00 => 지금은 오전 한 시 정각 입니다.
It is am 02:05 => 지금은 오전 두 시 오 분 입니다.
It is am 03:10 => 지금은 오전 세 시 십 분 입니다.
It is am 04:15 => 지금은 오전 네 시 십 오 분 입니다.
It is am 05:20 => 지금은 오전 다섯 시 이 십 분 입니다.
It is am 06:25 => 지금은 오전 여섯 시 이 십 오 분 입니다.
It is pm 07:30 => 지금은 오후 일곱 시 삼 십 분 입니다. => 지금은 오후 일곱 시 반 입니다.
It is pm 08:35 => 지금은 오후 여덟 시 삼 십 오 분 입니다.
It is pm 09:40 => 지금은 오후 아홉 시 사 십 분 입니다.
It is pm 10:45 => 지금은 오후 열 시 사 십 오 분 입니다. => 지금은 오후 열 한 시 십 오 분 전 입니다. (It is 15 min before pm 11:00)
It is pm 11:50 => 지금은 오후 열 한 시 오 십 분 입니다. => 지금은 오전 열 두 시 십 분 전 입니다. (It is 10 min before am 12:00)
It is pm 12:55 => 지금은 오후 열 두 시 오 십 오 분 입니다. => 지금은 오후 한 시 오 분 전 입니다. (It is 5 min before pm 01:00)

Chinese (Simplified) - Usually used in Chinese culture except for Taiwan

It is slightly different with Japanese formal version.
They don’t use white spaces between words, but in this document, I add space for your understanding.

{
  'phrasestart' : {'现在'}, // 'Now, it is...'
  'timeslot' : {'上午', '下午'}, // 'am', 'pm'
  'hour' : {'一', '两', '三', '四', '五', '六', '七', '八', '九', '十', '十一', '十二'}, // '1', '2', '3', '4', '5', '6', '7', '8', '9', '10', '11', '12'
  'hoursymbol' : {'点'}, // 'hour'
  'justat' : {'钟'}, // 'just, sharp at hour'
  'halfhour' : {'半'}, // 30min
  'quarterhour' : {'一刻', '三刻'}, // 15min, 45min
  'over10min' : {'二', '三', '四', '五'}, // '2', '3', '4', '5'
  '10min' : {'十'}, // '1*10'
  'each5min' : {'五'}, // '5'
  'minutesymbol' : {'分'}, // 'minute'
  'phraseend' : {'。'}, // ending symbol of phrase
}

In Chinese, they have also ‘XX min before’ expressions, but it needs changing structure of words positions. So It’s better to ignore those.

It is exactly am 01:00. => 现在上午一点钟。
It is am 02:05. => 现在上午两点五分。
It is am 03:10. => 现在上午三点十分。
It is am 04:15. => 现在上午四点十五分。 => 现在上午四点一刻。
It is am 05:20. => 现在上午五点二十分。
It is am 06:25. => 现在上午六点二十五分。
It is pm 07:30. => 现在下午七点三十分。 => 现在下午七点半。
It is pm 08:35. => 现在下午八点三十五分。
It is pm 09:40. => 现在下午九点四十分。
It is pm 10:45. => 现在下午十点四十五分。 => 现在下午十点三刻。
It is pm 11:50. => 现在下午十一点五十分。
It is pm 12:55. => 现在下午十二点五十五分。

j.e.f.f · Aug 21, 2017, 1:19 PM

@Sean This is great! I’ll tackle this in the first week of September as I’m traveling next week, and this week is fairly busy as a result. But it looks to be a great challenge!

j.e.f.f · Aug 21, 2017, 1:31 PM

@Atteraxol @Sean @strawberry-3-141 @pjkoeleman @willfri There seems to be some disagreement as to which is correct when telling time in German:

For twenty past the hour (e.g.: 3:20), which of the following is more common (i.e.: if I were to make just one translation, which would be more familiar for most people?)

Es ist zwanzig nach drei
- or -
Es ist zehn vor halb vier

And similarly for twenty minutes to the hour:

Es ist zwanzig vor vier
- or -
Es ist zehn nach halb vier

Or does it matter? Are both equally correct?

strawberry 3.141 · Aug 21, 2017, 2:12 PM

@j.e.f.f both versions are correct. I’m using the first one, not sure if this is more common or a regional thing.

Atteraxol · Aug 21, 2017, 2:23 PM

@j-e-f-f I never heard of the second version so it’s probably not so common. (native German speaker)

j.e.f.f · Aug 22, 2017, 2:28 AM

OK I just pushed a fairly significant update. If you are currently using this module, and you would like to use the update, the configuration has changed. Instead of the layout parameter, you now specify the desired language, and your screen orientation. Example:

    {
      module: "MMM-MyWordClock",
      position: "fullscreen_above",
      disabled: false,
      config: {
        showClockTimeOut: 1000,
        langauge: "EN",
        orientation: "tall" //or "wide"
      }
    }

The following languages are now supported:

EN English (default)
DE German
DE_CH Swiss German
FR French
NL Dutch

The best part of this update is that you can also specify * for the language. This will trigger the clock to pick one of the supported languages at random each time it updates!

I’m traveling all next week, but in the following week I’ll be adding the following languages:

DA Danish
ZH Chinese Simplified
JA Japanese
KO Korean
TL Tagalog (Philipino)

Thanks to everyone for your help!

j.e.f.f · Aug 22, 2017, 2:26 AM

@strawberry-3.141 I worked your Swiss German layout into the code. I couldn’t do a straight merge as I was also in the middle of re-architecting the code base. But I copied your layout files and modified them to work with the new system. I also rearranged some of the layout to have the words spaced out better. I don’t think I messed up the translation as a result – having spent so much time on the German one helped me understand yours – but when I get a few free seconds, I’ll post screenshots so you can validate.

j.e.f.f · Aug 22, 2017, 2:02 PM

@strawberry-3-141 As promised, here are screenshots of the layout integrated, both for the tall and wide layouts. Please let me know if it looks good

Tall:

Wide:

kruemel · Aug 22, 2017, 2:09 PM

09:40 would be correct:
Es isch zwanzg vor zäni

12:40 the same:
Es isch zwanzg vor eis

The rest looks fine :-)

By the way (you dont have to change it) but usualy we say “zwänzg” not “zwanzg” ;-)