Help Translating Word Clock

[pjkoeleman]

@willfri @strawberry-3-141
Is the translation of 13:20 okee, I would say “Es ist zehn vor halb zwei”?

[j.e.f.f]

@strawberry-3.141 This is amazing! Thanks for this. Let me know when the tall version is available and I’ll merge it in

[willfri]

@pjkoeleman Yes, “Es ist zehn vor halb zwei” would be better as “Es ist zwanzig nach eins”

[pjkoeleman]

@willfri
Then we have to ask @j-e-f-f if he will changes this in the German language.

Disclamer : Ich bin nur hier, um mein Deutsch zu üben.

[A Former User]

I am ashamed to tell this, I’m living in Germany for years but cannot speak any Deutsche. :)

You can see this.
https://learn-german-easily.com/tell-time-in-german

[j.e.f.f]

@pjkoeleman Yep I’ll take care of this. Thanks for pointing this out!

[j.e.f.f]

@Sean From the link you sent, it appears that “Viertel” should always be capitalized, much like “Uhr.”

@willfri @strawberry-3-141 is that the case?

[A Former User]

@j.e.f.f said in Help Translating Word Clock:

@Sean From the link you sent, it appears that “Viertel” should always be capitalized, much like “Uhr.”

Viertel is a noun. viertel is an adjective. All nouns begin with capital in German.

Additionally,
Eins is a feminine-noun. It means ‘number 1’
eins is a numeral, but varied form. The root form is ein. eins is used as neutral-noun when used alone without any other subjective. So, eins is shorten from ein Uhr. One more funny thing, Uhr is feminine-noun, so eine Uhr means a clock not an hour

[j.e.f.f]

I just pushed an update to correct the German layout. Here’s an example:

[kruemel]

erm… sounds strange to me (Switzerland)
We say: “Es ist zwanzig nach zwölf”
or “es ist fünf vor halb eins”

or “es ist fünf nach eins”
or “es ist zwanzig vor eins”

but nobody here says “zehn vor halb eins”

… complicated this world languages, everybody talks different :D

[A Former User]

:D
In Standarddeutsch(Hochdeutsch),
08:20

• Es ist zwanzig nach acht.
• Es ist zehn vor halb neun.
  both are available. (Also, zwanzig vor = zehn nach halb)

How about this?
08:15

• Es ist Viertel nach acht.
• Es ist viertel acht.

And in some southern German, even this is available.

09:45

• Es ist drei viertel neun.

09:40

• Es ist fünf Minuten vor drei viertel neun.

That is why I dropped my German lesson. :)

[strawberry 3.141]

@Sean the first is correct zwanzig vor = zehn nach halb

the second is incorrect

08:15
Es ist Viertel nach acht.
Es ist viertel acht.

It is either Es ist viertel nach acht or Es ist viertel neun, but Es ist viertel acht would be 07:15.

The next is also correct

09:45
Es ist drei viertel neun.

And the last would be theoretically correct as well, but I really never heard someone saying this.

09:40
Es ist fünf Minuten vor drei viertel neun.

German is probably one of the hardest languages to learn for foreigners.

[A Former User]

@strawberry-3.141 ^^ I was confused.^^ anyway, whether i’m living in Germany for several years as foreigner, Deutsche is verry difficult to learn. The only phrase I can speak is “Bitte? Leider ist meine Deutsche nicht so gut, Kennen Sie Engilsch sprechen?” :P

@j-e-f-f Do you have any interest about Far-East-Asian version for your clock? For Korean, Japanese and Chinese I can help you for the schemes of word clock with proper characters. They are probably easier than Indian-European languages. And even shorter and less exception.
Maybe it’s not useful for most users, but it could be pretty beautiful.

[j.e.f.f]

@Sean that would be amazing! I don’t think the fonts I’m using support double-byte characters though. I’ll have to check. I might need to source other fonts for these.

[A Former User]

@j.e.f.f noto font from google could be possible in raspbian. With my experience, people should install additional fonts for CJK supports like noto.

[j.e.f.f]

@Sean no need. If it’s available in google fonts then I can include it with the module. That’s what I’m doing now.

I need two fonts. One for the I highlighted state, which should be a rather plain version, and one for the highlighted state which should be ornamental.

[A Former User]

@j.e.f.f Traditionally, sanserif and serif would fit.
In a few days, I’ll send you whole scheme for CJK.

[Lange]

In Denmark we use 12-hour clock when we read out.
At midnight we use only midnight (midnat)
At half past six (06:30) we use “It is halv six” (Den er halv seks)

It’s one o’clock --> Den er et (01:00)
It’s five minutes past one --> Den er fem minutter over et (01:05)
It’s quarter past one --> Den er kvart over et (01:15)
It’s half past one --> Den er halv to (01:30)
It’s twenty-five minutes to two --> Den er femogtyve minutter i to (01:35)
It’s quarter to two --> Den er kvart i to (01:45)
It’s ten minutes to two --> Den er ti minutter i to (01:50)
It’s one o’clock --> Den er et (01:00)
It’s five minutes past one --> Den er fem minutter over et (01:05)
It’s ten minutes past one --> Den er ti minutter over et (01:10)
It’s quarter past one --> Den er kvart over et (01:15)
It’s twenty minutes past one --> Den er tyve minutter over et (01:20)
It’s twenty-five minutes past one --> Den er femogtyve minutter over et (01:25)
It’s half past one --> Den er halv to (01:30)
It’s twenty-five minutes to two --> Den er femogtyve minutter i to (01:35)
It’s twenty minutes to two --> Den er tyve minutter i to (01:40)
it’s quarter to two --> Den er kvart i to (01:45)
It’s ten minutes to two --> Den er ti minutter i to (01:50)
It’s five minutes to two --> Den er 5 minutter i to (01:55)

If asked about the time we say “Den er” (It is) but if we give the information in we would normally say “Klokken er” (The time is) - I have used “Den er” in this translation, but “Klokken er” is also very useable
We dont use anything after a full hour “Den er et” or “Klokken er et” would be “Its one o’clock”

Let me know if I can do anything for you, this was just a quick translation

{
 "ITIS": "DEN ER",
 "HALF": "HALV",
 "QUARTER": "KVART",
 "MINUTES": "MINUTTER",
 "TO": "I",
 "PAST": "OVER",
 "ONE": "ET",
 "TWO": "TO",
 "THREE": "TRE",
 "FOUR": "FIRE",
 "FIVE": "FEM",
 "SIX": "SEKS",
 "SEVEN": "SYV",
 "EIGHT": "OTTE",
 "NINE": "NI",
 "TEN": "TI",
 "ELEVEN": "ELLEVE",
 "TWELVE": "TOLV",
 "TWENTY": "TYVE",
 "OCLOCK": "NOT-USED",
 "THIRTEEN": "TRETTEN",
 "FORTEEN": "FJORTEN",
 "FIFTEEN": "FEMTEN",
 "SIXTEEN": "SEKSTEN",
 "SEVENTEEN": "SYTTEN",
 "EIGHTEEN": "ATTEN",
 "NINETEEN": "NITTEN",
 "THIRTY": "TYVE",
 "FORTY": "FYRRE",
 "FIFTY": "HALVTREDS",
 "OH": "OH",
 "HUNDRED": "HUNDREDE",
 "ZERO": "NUL"
}

[Atteraxol]

@j-e-f-f I found this german word clock. Could be a help for the layout of the words.

[A Former User]

@j.e.f.f

word clock for CJK

If you cannot see characters of this document in your browser properly, tell me please. (In that case, you should install CJK fonts like Google Noto)

General

• Chinese, Japanese, Korean fonts are composited by multi-byte characters
• They use 12H system, but in military, science and public service, 24H system is also used.
• In 24H system, they use 00 hour, but usually in 12H system, they call it 12 hour.
  e.g) 12:10 is called pm 12:10, 00:10 is called am 12:10.
• Traditionally they use dawn-morning-daylight-evening-night time slot system, but the borders between slots are very ambiguous, therefore am and pm system is more normally used nowadays.
• Unlike the known, Chinese, Japanese and Korean are not kin-languages. They have no embryological and lingual relation each other. But they shared so many words because they had used same characters historically.
• Chinese and Japanese don’t use whitespace between words, but Korean do. However, You don’t need to consider that point in wordclock.
• They read numbers as 10-based decimal digits not 12-based duodenary like Western. And they read numbers from left to right always without exception.
• in CJK, reading multi-digits numbers are based on 10-digits multiplication.
  So, from 1 to 9 is just read as 1 - 9, and 10 is 1 * 10, 100 is 1 * 100 and you can calcluate how it goes. (e.g. 123 is 1*100 + 2 * 1*10 + 3)

number		Chinese	Japanese	Korean
1		一	一	일
10	(1 * 10)	十	十	십
11	(1 * 10) + 1	十一	十一	십일
12	(1 * 10) + 2	十二	十二	십이
20	2 * (1 * 10)	二十	二十	이십
21	2 * (1 * 10) + 1	二十一	二十一	이십일

Japanese

The only serious problem is that Japanese KANJI(borrowed characters from Chinese) string could be read differently in each context. However, We don’t need to consider how the text is read and pronounced. ^^; It’s none of our business.
They don’t use white spaces between words, but in this document, I add space for your understanding.

Japanese clock scheme

Simplest Version

{
  'timeslot' : {'午前', '午後'}, // 'am', 'pm'
  '10hour' : {'十'}, // '1*10' 
  'under10hour' : {'一', '二', '三', '四', '五', '六', '七', '八', '九'}, // '1', '2', '3', '4', '5', '6', '7', '8', '9'
  'hoursymbol' : {'時'}, // 'hour'
  'over10min' : {'二', '三', '四', '五'}, // '2', '3', '4', '5'
  '10min' : {'十'}, // '1*10'
  'each5min' : {'五'}, // '5'
  'minutesymbol' : {'分'}, // 'minute'
}

example)
am 01:00 => 午前 一 時
am 02:05 => 午前 二 時 五 分
am 03:10 => 午前 三 時 十 分
am 04:15 => 午前 四 時 十 五 分
am 05:20 => 午前 五 時 二 十 分
am 06:25 => 午前 六 時 二 十 五 分
pm 07:30 => 午後 七 時 三 十 分
pm 08:35 => 午後 八 時 三 十 五 分
pm 09:40 => 午後 九 時 四 十 分
pm 10:45 => 午後 十 時 四 十 五 分
pm 11:50 => 午後 十 一 時 五 十 分
pm 12:55 => 午後 十 二 時 五 十 五 分
That’s all.

Is it too easy? Here is more formal version.
Formal Version

{
  'phrasestart' : {'今は'}, // 'Now, it is...'
  'timeslot' : {'午前', '午後'}, // 'am', 'pm'
  '10hour' : {'十'}, // '1*10' 
  'under10hour' : {'一', '二', '三', '四', '五', '六', '七', '八', '九'}, // '1', '2', '3', '4', '5', '6', '7', '8', '9'
  'hoursymbol' : {'時'}, // 'hour'
  'justat' : {'定刻'}, // 'just, sharp at hour'
  'halfhour' : {'半'}, // 30min
  'over10min' : {'二', '三', '四', '五'}, // '2', '3', '4', '5'
  '10min' : {'十'}, // '1*10'
  'each5min' : {'五'}, // '5'
  'minutesymbol' : {'分'}, // 'minute'
  'before' : {'前'}, // to use XX min before hour
  'phraseend' : {'です。'}, // ending symbol of phrase
}

• You can add '今は' and 'です。' for making full sentence.
  It is am 02:05. => 今は 午前 二 時 五 分 です。
• You can use '定刻' after hoursymbol for displaying ‘just at hour’.
  It is exactly am 01:00. => 今は 午前 一 時 定刻 です。
• You can use '半' for displaying half-hour.
  It is pm 07:30. => 今は 午後 七 時 三 十 分 です。 => 今は 午後 七 時 半 です。
• You can use '前' for small minutes before hour. (usually below 15 minutes)
  5 mins before => '五分前'
  10 mins before => '十分前'
  15 mins before => '十五分前'
  It is pm 10:45. => 今は 午後 十 時 四 十 五 分 です。 => 今は 午後 十 一 時 十 五 分 前 です。

Korean

It is same with the formal Japanese version, but with Korean own characters.

{
  'phrasestart' : {'지금은'}, // 'Now, it is...'
  'timeslot' : {'오전', '오후'}, // 'am', 'pm'
  '10hour' : {'열'}, // '1*10' 
  'under10hour' : {'한', '두', '세', '네', '다섯', '여섯', '일곱', '여덟', '아홉'}, // '1', '2', '3', '4', '5', '6', '7', '8', '9'
  'hoursymbol' : {'시'}, // 'hour'
  'justat' : {'정각'}, // 'just, sharp at hour'
  'halfhour' : {'반'}, // 30min
  'over10min' : {'이', '삼', '사', '오'}, // '2', '3', '4', '5'
  '10min' : {'십'}, // '1*10'
  'each5min' : {'오'}, // '5'
  'minutesymbol' : {'분'}, // 'minute'
  'before' : {'전'}, // to use XX min before hour
  'phraseend' : {'입니다.'}, // ending symbol of phrase
}

It is exactly am 01:00 => 지금은 오전 한 시 정각 입니다.
It is am 02:05 => 지금은 오전 두 시 오 분 입니다.
It is am 03:10 => 지금은 오전 세 시 십 분 입니다.
It is am 04:15 => 지금은 오전 네 시 십 오 분 입니다.
It is am 05:20 => 지금은 오전 다섯 시 이 십 분 입니다.
It is am 06:25 => 지금은 오전 여섯 시 이 십 오 분 입니다.
It is pm 07:30 => 지금은 오후 일곱 시 삼 십 분 입니다. => 지금은 오후 일곱 시 반 입니다.
It is pm 08:35 => 지금은 오후 여덟 시 삼 십 오 분 입니다.
It is pm 09:40 => 지금은 오후 아홉 시 사 십 분 입니다.
It is pm 10:45 => 지금은 오후 열 시 사 십 오 분 입니다. => 지금은 오후 열 한 시 십 오 분 전 입니다. (It is 15 min before pm 11:00)
It is pm 11:50 => 지금은 오후 열 한 시 오 십 분 입니다. => 지금은 오전 열 두 시 십 분 전 입니다. (It is 10 min before am 12:00)
It is pm 12:55 => 지금은 오후 열 두 시 오 십 오 분 입니다. => 지금은 오후 한 시 오 분 전 입니다. (It is 5 min before pm 01:00)

Chinese (Simplified) - Usually used in Chinese culture except for Taiwan

It is slightly different with Japanese formal version.
They don’t use white spaces between words, but in this document, I add space for your understanding.

{
  'phrasestart' : {'现在'}, // 'Now, it is...'
  'timeslot' : {'上午', '下午'}, // 'am', 'pm'
  'hour' : {'一', '两', '三', '四', '五', '六', '七', '八', '九', '十', '十一', '十二'}, // '1', '2', '3', '4', '5', '6', '7', '8', '9', '10', '11', '12'
  'hoursymbol' : {'点'}, // 'hour'
  'justat' : {'钟'}, // 'just, sharp at hour'
  'halfhour' : {'半'}, // 30min
  'quarterhour' : {'一刻', '三刻'}, // 15min, 45min
  'over10min' : {'二', '三', '四', '五'}, // '2', '3', '4', '5'
  '10min' : {'十'}, // '1*10'
  'each5min' : {'五'}, // '5'
  'minutesymbol' : {'分'}, // 'minute'
  'phraseend' : {'。'}, // ending symbol of phrase
}

• In Chinese, they have also ‘XX min before’ expressions, but it needs changing structure of words positions. So It’s better to ignore those.

It is exactly am 01:00. => 现在 上午 一 点 钟 。
It is am 02:05. => 现在 上午 两 点 五 分 。
It is am 03:10. => 现在 上午 三 点 十 分 。
It is am 04:15. => 现在 上午 四 点 十 五 分 。 => 现在 上午 四 点 一刻 。
It is am 05:20. => 现在 上午 五 点 二 十 分 。
It is am 06:25. => 现在 上午 六 点 二 十 五 分 。
It is pm 07:30. => 现在 下午 七 点 三 十 分 。 => 现在 下午 七 点 半 。
It is pm 08:35. => 现在 下午 八 点 三 十 五 分 。
It is pm 09:40. => 现在 下午 九 点 四 十 分 。
It is pm 10:45. => 现在 下午 十 点 四 十 五 分 。 => 现在 下午 十 点 三刻 。
It is pm 11:50. => 现在 下午 十一 点 五 十 分 。
It is pm 12:55. => 现在 下午 十二 点 五 十 五 分 。