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    A New Chapter for MagicMirror: The Community Takes the Lead
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    MM and UBUNTU. Made for each other.

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    • P Offline
      pepebc
      last edited by

      Raspberry pi is fine to mount a prototype, but with MM and Kalliope shows freezing moments …
      On the laptop: everything is easy and the answer is immediate.
      My next MM with Kalliope (voice) will be in a mini PC. More expensive, yes, but it compensates the normal fluency that these app requires

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      • kruemelK Offline
        kruemel @Mykle1
        last edited by

        @Mykle1 How do you did the wake up with a webcam?
        Let’s say a notebook has always an integrated webcam on top of the display. How do you wake the screen up like a PIR-Sensor does?

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        • Mykle1M Offline
          Mykle1 Project Sponsor Module Developer @kruemel
          last edited by

          @kruemel

          How do you wake the screen up like a PIR-Sensor does?

          I use voice commands with Hello-Lucy to put my displays to sleep and to wake them up. I use this on my Pi mirror. https://github.com/alexyak/motiondetector

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          • M Offline
            mdhenriksen
            last edited by

            @Mykle1 Using old laptops makes sense to me too. But i do have one question; how do you manage heat and fan noise? I’m concerned that an old laptop gets hotter than a Pi behind a mirror and if its using a HDD and has a fan it must either get noisy or hot (if you disconnect the fan)

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            • Mykle1M Offline
              Mykle1 Project Sponsor Module Developer @mdhenriksen
              last edited by

              @mdhenriksen

              I have not found heat to be an issue at all. In fact, by removing the motherboard from the case, the temps are actually lower, even when placed behind a mirror. As long as the construction of the mirror is well ventilated, I don’t think that would ever be an issue.

              I do not remove the fan. I’ve found that in a normal environment, (people, tv, ambient noises, etc…) the fan noise isn’t even noticeable. Only when the house, or room, is completely silent is the fan audible. For me, this is not an issue when a mobo mirror outperforms any Pi mirror, hands down.

              Note: There are silent fans these days but I have never used them with a mirror. I’ve never felt the need to but that is certainly an option for anyone.

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              • M Offline
                mdhenriksen @Mykle1
                last edited by

                @mykle1 said in MM and UBUNTU. Made for each other.:

                @mdhenriksen

                I have not found heat to be an issue at all. In fact, by removing the motherboard from the case, the temps are actually lower, even when placed behind a mirror. As long as the construction of the mirror is well ventilated, I don’t think that would ever be an issue.

                I do not remove the fan. I’ve found that in a normal environment, (people, tv, ambient noises, etc…) the fan noise isn’t even noticeable. Only when the house, or room, is completely silent is the fan audible. For me, this is not an issue when a mobo mirror outperforms any Pi mirror, hands down.

                Note: There are silent fans these days but I have never used them with a mirror. I’ve never felt the need to but that is certainly an option for anyone.

                Nice to know! Got a old laptop I’m gonna try it with then! Using MMM-pages and MMM-voice, so a more powerful CPU would be preferred.

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                • Mykle1M Offline
                  Mykle1 Project Sponsor Module Developer @mdhenriksen
                  last edited by

                  @mdhenriksen said in MM and UBUNTU. Made for each other.:

                  Using MMM-pages and MMM-voice, so a more powerful CPU would be preferred.

                  That is largely the reason I moved away from the Pi. (I still have my first Pi mirror). I’ve been using MMM-voice and Hello-Lucy for about a year now and I could not be more pleased with the results and the performance.

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                  • bheplerB Offline
                    bhepler Module Developer
                    last edited by

                    I did learn the hard way that a miniPC running an Intel Atom processor and integrated graphics is not suitable for Ubuntu and therefore the MagicMirror. The IGP does not have drivers in Ubuntu 14, 16, nor 18 and uses most of its power to render the desktop.

                    I might put the server version on it and turn it into a gateway or something.

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                    • Mykle1M Offline
                      Mykle1 Project Sponsor Module Developer @bhepler
                      last edited by Mykle1

                      @bhepler said in MM and UBUNTU. Made for each other.:

                      Intel Atom processor and integrated graphics is not suitable for Ubuntu and therefore the MagicMirror.

                      The only two laptops that I’ve had trouble with are both ThinkPads. I struggled with them and eventually gave up.

                      However, I did have success with a little piece of $h1t with specs similar to what you mentioned.

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ8t3UoKYu0

                      Total cost = $11

                      Specs:

                      ASUS Eee PC
                      Intel Atom CPU N570 @ 1.66GHz x 4
                      2GB of RAM
                      Intel Pineview M Graphics
                      Display 8.5" width by 5.25" height
                      250GB HD
                      Integrated microphone
                      Built-in WiFi
                      VGA port (for external monitor)

                      $11 on craigslist

                      64-bit Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
                      MagicMirror v2.1.3

                      Modules:

                      MMM-Advice
                      AlarmClock
                      calendar
                      clock
                      compliments
                      Cocktails
                      EARTH
                      EasyBack
                      Events
                      FMI (Find My iPhone)
                      ImageSlideshow
                      Lunartic
                      newsfeed
                      NOAA3
                      PC-Stats
                      voice w/ Hello-Lucy
                      WunderGround

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                      • bheplerB Offline
                        bhepler Module Developer @Mykle1
                        last edited by

                        @mykle1 - Sigh. I suppose I can try again. Did you have to do any fiddling to get the OS to use a graphics driver?

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                        • Mykle1M Offline
                          Mykle1 Project Sponsor Module Developer @bhepler
                          last edited by

                          @bhepler said in MM and UBUNTU. Made for each other.:

                          Sigh. I suppose I can try again. Did you have to do any fiddling to get the OS to use a graphics driver?

                          No sir. I did a standard install of ubuntu 16.04LTS (I only use this version. I tried 18.xx and had trouble) During the setup of the installation there is a click box for “use third party drivers” or something to that effect. I always click (enable) that option. I don’t know if it’s worth mentioning but I always use a wired internet connection during installation. It’s just faster that way as it updates everything.

                          Let me know how you make out. :thumbsup:

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                          • Mykle1M Offline
                            Mykle1 Project Sponsor Module Developer @Mykle1
                            last edited by

                            Recommendation Update

                            Actually, this is more of a recommendation confirmation. While you can use ubuntu 18.xx and MM together, I don’t recommend it. I just did a clean install of ubuntu 18.04. Newest stable node and npm. MM v2.6.0. Yes, it runs MM but I don’t see any benefit to using ubuntu 18.xx over 16.04 LTS. I don’t like the changes to the UI in 18.xx and I really don’t like dealing with all the vulnerabilities.

                            Ubuntu 16.04 LTS has a more intuitive UI (IMHO) and there are NO vulnreablilities to deal with. NONE!

                            So, for the time being, I’m staying with Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. It’s trouble free and MM loves it, too.

                            I did a test install of Ubuntu 18.04 on a machine I found in someone’s trash. That’s when the vulnerabilities reminded me of why I don’t like 18.xx. Look at the specs. One man’s trash is another man’s treasure.

                            0_1553376079773_GarbagePC.png

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                            • B Offline
                              batfastard
                              last edited by

                              not gonna lie, i actually have a i5 mini pc laying around and have been fiddling with the pis for weeks now trying to get everything dialed in and your post got me a little pumped to be able to use this pc i got.

                              i got ubuntu installed no problem…

                              i know NOTHING about it so i couldnt even get past how to install the wireless adapter lol…

                              so im scrapping this and going back to install raspbian on the pc and will try it at that point.

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                              • justjim1220J Offline
                                justjim1220 Module Developer @Mykle1
                                last edited by

                                @Mykle1 Nice Find! :)

                                "Life's Too Short To Dance With Ugly People"
                                Jim Hallock - 1995

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                                • justjim1220J Offline
                                  justjim1220 Module Developer @Mykle1
                                  last edited by

                                  @Mykle1

                                  I had version 18.xx installed, up and going just fine on my dev machine

                                  I am used to dealing with vulnerabilities, since I mainly work with Windows

                                  But, I just have my mindset to run npm audit fix --force & npm i lodash@4.17.5 -g & npm i acorn@^6.0.0 -g after every install of MM2. only takes a few minutes extra and it fixes all the vulnerabilities. Except for a few that come with some of the modules. With Ubuntu 18.xx, if I remember, I think just the npm audit fix --force was all I needed to do.

                                  "Life's Too Short To Dance With Ugly People"
                                  Jim Hallock - 1995

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                                  • Mykle1M Offline
                                    Mykle1 Project Sponsor Module Developer @justjim1220
                                    last edited by

                                    @justjim1220

                                    Yes, as I said, I too had ubuntu 18.xx and MM up and running. I just prefer NOT to deal with any vulnerabilities which 16.04 doesn’t have. I don’t know of any benefit to running 18.xx over 16.04 and, as I stated, I’m not a fan of the new UI in 18.xx. I ran MM over Windows when I first started. The disadvantages quickly became apparent. Hello-Lucy never would have happened if I didn’t leave Windows behind. I never looked back. :-)

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                                    • Mykle1M Offline
                                      Mykle1 Project Sponsor Module Developer
                                      last edited by Mykle1

                                      By popular demand

                                      Install ubuntu 16.04LTS (internet connection HIGHLY recommended)

                                      You MUST (check box) “Install 3rd Party Drivers” during installation

                                      Fully update the installation via the software manager after installation (It often needs to)

                                      Install node (includes npm) (I use node 8 )

                                      1. curl -sL https://deb.nodesource.com/setup_8.x | sudo -E bash -

                                      It will ask you if you want to install curl (gives you the command). Do so. Then run #1 again

                                      1. This will complete the installation of node and npm

                                      sudo apt-get install -y nodejs

                                      1. Check for success of node and npm installation in your terminal.

                                      run node -v (this will show your version)
                                      run npm -v (this will show your version)

                                      Now install MM

                                      Run git clone https://github.com/MichMich/MagicMirror.git in your terminal

                                      You may be asked to install git here. Do so. Use the command presented to you in the terminal

                                      Then run git clone https://github.com/MichMich/MagicMirror.git again

                                      Then cd MagicMirror and run npm install

                                      Then run your mirror npm start

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                                      • Cliff365C Offline
                                        Cliff365
                                        last edited by

                                        I know this thread is quite old, hoping @Mykle1 or someone still looks at it.

                                        I followed the instructions and have a MM running on my Acer Revo. However, when I start MagicMirror, all I see is a blank screen. I have pm2 and electron installed, where do I find the logfile to try to track down the issue?

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                                          sdetweil @Cliff365
                                          last edited by

                                          @cliff365 is it before adding any modules? or after?

                                          if after see here
                                          https://forum.magicmirror.builders/topic/15778/fix-for-black-screen-in-2-16-and-later

                                          if before do

                                          pm2 stop all
pm2 flush
pm2 start 0
pm2 logs --lines=50

                                          Sam

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                                          learning how to use browser developers window for css changes

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                                          • Cliff365C Offline
                                            Cliff365 @Cliff365
                                            last edited by

                                            Thanks @sdetweil , I entered the lines, but I had a bit of a problem getting MM to not restart while I tried to capture the logs. Hope this provides some insight:

                                            0|MagicMirror  | Starting server on port 8080 ... 
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:25.52.307] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | Server started ...
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:25.52.312] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | Connecting socket for: updatenotification
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:25.52.316] [LOG]   Sockets connected & modules started ...
0|MagicMirror  | (electron:4583): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: g_dbus_connection_register_object: assertion 'G_IS_DBUS_CONNECTION (connection)' failed
0|MagicMirror  | (electron:4583): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: g_dbus_connection_register_object: assertion 'G_IS_DBUS_CONNECTION (connection)' failed
0|MagicMirror  | (electron:4583): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: g_dbus_connection_get_unique_name: assertion 'G_IS_DBUS_CONNECTION (connection)' failed
0|MagicMirror  | [4583:1217/162552.823896:ERROR:bus.cc(393)] Failed to connect to the bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-rSguYNpjNi: Connection refused
0|MagicMirror  | [4583:1217/162552.824839:ERROR:bus.cc(393)] Failed to connect to the bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-rSguYNpjNi: Connection refused
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:25.52.921] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | Launching application.
0|MagicMirror  | [4583:1217/162553.058857:ERROR:bus.cc(393)] Failed to connect to the bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-rSguYNpjNi: Connection refused
0|MagicMirror  | [4613:1217/162553.640227:ERROR:sandbox_linux.cc(376)] InitializeSandbox() called with multiple threads in process gpu-process.
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.01.616] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | Shutting down server...
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.01.618] [LOG]   Stopping module helper: updatenotification
PM2            | App [MagicMirror:0] exited with code [0] via signal [SIGINT]
PM2            | App [MagicMirror:0] starting in -fork mode-
PM2            | App [MagicMirror:0] online
0|MagicMirror  | > magicmirror@2.17.1 start /home/cliff/MagicMirror
0|MagicMirror  | > DISPLAY="${DISPLAY:=:0}" ./node_modules/.bin/electron js/electron.js
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.06.425] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | Starting MagicMirror: v2.17.1
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.06.446] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | Loading config ...
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.06.466] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | Loading module helpers ...
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.06.487] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | No helper found for module: alert.
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.06.550] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | Initializing new module helper ...
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.06.555] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | Module helper loaded: updatenotification
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.06.559] [LOG]   No helper found for module: clock.
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.06.563] [LOG]   All module helpers loaded.
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.06.846] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | Starting server on port 8080 ... 
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.06.895] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | Server started ...
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.06.900] [LOG]   Connecting socket for: updatenotification
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.06.905] [LOG]   Sockets connected & modules started ...
0|MagicMirror  | (electron:4673): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: g_dbus_connection_register_object: assertion 'G_IS_DBUS_CONNECTION (connection)' failed
0|MagicMirror  | (electron:4673): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: g_dbus_connection_register_object: assertion 'G_IS_DBUS_CONNECTION (connection)' failed
0|MagicMirror  | (electron:4673): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: g_dbus_connection_get_unique_name: assertion 'G_IS_DBUS_CONNECTION (connection)' failed
0|MagicMirror  | [4673:1217/162607.415011:ERROR:bus.cc(393)] Failed to connect to the bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-rSguYNpjNi: Connection refused
0|MagicMirror  | [4673:1217/162607.415886:ERROR:bus.cc(393)] Failed to connect to the bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-rSguYNpjNi: Connection refused
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.07.530] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | Launching application.
0|MagicMirror  | [4673:1217/162607.651240:ERROR:bus.cc(393)] Failed to connect to the bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-rSguYNpjNi: Connection refused
0|MagicMirror  | [4705:1217/162608.260106:ERROR:sandbox_linux.cc(376)] InitializeSandbox() called with multiple threads in process gpu-process.
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.09.807] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | Shutting down server...
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.09.811] [LOG]   Stopping module helper: updatenotification
PM2            | App [MagicMirror:0] exited with code [0] via signal [SIGINT]
PM2            | App [MagicMirror:0] starting in -fork mode-
PM2            | App [MagicMirror:0] online
0|MagicMirror  | > magicmirror@2.17.1 start /home/cliff/MagicMirror
0|MagicMirror  | > DISPLAY="${DISPLAY:=:0}" ./node_modules/.bin/electron js/electron.js
^A0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.14.742] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | Starting MagicMirror: v2.17.1
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.14.762] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | Loading config ...
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.14.779] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | Loading module helpers ...
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.14.787] [LOG]   No helper found for module: alert.
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.14.838] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | Initializing new module helper ...
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.14.843] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | Module helper loaded: updatenotification
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.14.848] [LOG]   No helper found for module: clock.
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.14.851] [LOG]   All module helpers loaded.
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