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    A New Chapter for MagicMirror: The Community Takes the Lead
    Read the statement by Michael Teeuw here.

    MM and UBUNTU. Made for each other.

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    • M Offline
      mdhenriksen
      last edited by

      @Mykle1 Using old laptops makes sense to me too. But i do have one question; how do you manage heat and fan noise? I’m concerned that an old laptop gets hotter than a Pi behind a mirror and if its using a HDD and has a fan it must either get noisy or hot (if you disconnect the fan)

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      • Mykle1M Offline
        Mykle1 Project Sponsor Module Developer @mdhenriksen
        last edited by

        @mdhenriksen

        I have not found heat to be an issue at all. In fact, by removing the motherboard from the case, the temps are actually lower, even when placed behind a mirror. As long as the construction of the mirror is well ventilated, I don’t think that would ever be an issue.

        I do not remove the fan. I’ve found that in a normal environment, (people, tv, ambient noises, etc…) the fan noise isn’t even noticeable. Only when the house, or room, is completely silent is the fan audible. For me, this is not an issue when a mobo mirror outperforms any Pi mirror, hands down.

        Note: There are silent fans these days but I have never used them with a mirror. I’ve never felt the need to but that is certainly an option for anyone.

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        • M Offline
          mdhenriksen @Mykle1
          last edited by

          @mykle1 said in MM and UBUNTU. Made for each other.:

          @mdhenriksen

          I have not found heat to be an issue at all. In fact, by removing the motherboard from the case, the temps are actually lower, even when placed behind a mirror. As long as the construction of the mirror is well ventilated, I don’t think that would ever be an issue.

          I do not remove the fan. I’ve found that in a normal environment, (people, tv, ambient noises, etc…) the fan noise isn’t even noticeable. Only when the house, or room, is completely silent is the fan audible. For me, this is not an issue when a mobo mirror outperforms any Pi mirror, hands down.

          Note: There are silent fans these days but I have never used them with a mirror. I’ve never felt the need to but that is certainly an option for anyone.

          Nice to know! Got a old laptop I’m gonna try it with then! Using MMM-pages and MMM-voice, so a more powerful CPU would be preferred.

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          • Mykle1M Offline
            Mykle1 Project Sponsor Module Developer @mdhenriksen
            last edited by

            @mdhenriksen said in MM and UBUNTU. Made for each other.:

            Using MMM-pages and MMM-voice, so a more powerful CPU would be preferred.

            That is largely the reason I moved away from the Pi. (I still have my first Pi mirror). I’ve been using MMM-voice and Hello-Lucy for about a year now and I could not be more pleased with the results and the performance.

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            • bheplerB Offline
              bhepler Module Developer
              last edited by

              I did learn the hard way that a miniPC running an Intel Atom processor and integrated graphics is not suitable for Ubuntu and therefore the MagicMirror. The IGP does not have drivers in Ubuntu 14, 16, nor 18 and uses most of its power to render the desktop.

              I might put the server version on it and turn it into a gateway or something.

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              • Mykle1M Offline
                Mykle1 Project Sponsor Module Developer @bhepler
                last edited by Mykle1

                @bhepler said in MM and UBUNTU. Made for each other.:

                Intel Atom processor and integrated graphics is not suitable for Ubuntu and therefore the MagicMirror.

                The only two laptops that I’ve had trouble with are both ThinkPads. I struggled with them and eventually gave up.

                However, I did have success with a little piece of $h1t with specs similar to what you mentioned.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ8t3UoKYu0

                Total cost = $11

                Specs:

                ASUS Eee PC
                Intel Atom CPU N570 @ 1.66GHz x 4
                2GB of RAM
                Intel Pineview M Graphics
                Display 8.5" width by 5.25" height
                250GB HD
                Integrated microphone
                Built-in WiFi
                VGA port (for external monitor)

                $11 on craigslist

                64-bit Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
                MagicMirror v2.1.3

                Modules:

                MMM-Advice
                AlarmClock
                calendar
                clock
                compliments
                Cocktails
                EARTH
                EasyBack
                Events
                FMI (Find My iPhone)
                ImageSlideshow
                Lunartic
                newsfeed
                NOAA3
                PC-Stats
                voice w/ Hello-Lucy
                WunderGround

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                • bheplerB Offline
                  bhepler Module Developer @Mykle1
                  last edited by

                  @mykle1 - Sigh. I suppose I can try again. Did you have to do any fiddling to get the OS to use a graphics driver?

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                  • Mykle1M Offline
                    Mykle1 Project Sponsor Module Developer @bhepler
                    last edited by

                    @bhepler said in MM and UBUNTU. Made for each other.:

                    Sigh. I suppose I can try again. Did you have to do any fiddling to get the OS to use a graphics driver?

                    No sir. I did a standard install of ubuntu 16.04LTS (I only use this version. I tried 18.xx and had trouble) During the setup of the installation there is a click box for “use third party drivers” or something to that effect. I always click (enable) that option. I don’t know if it’s worth mentioning but I always use a wired internet connection during installation. It’s just faster that way as it updates everything.

                    Let me know how you make out. :thumbsup:

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                    • Mykle1M Offline
                      Mykle1 Project Sponsor Module Developer @Mykle1
                      last edited by

                      Recommendation Update

                      Actually, this is more of a recommendation confirmation. While you can use ubuntu 18.xx and MM together, I don’t recommend it. I just did a clean install of ubuntu 18.04. Newest stable node and npm. MM v2.6.0. Yes, it runs MM but I don’t see any benefit to using ubuntu 18.xx over 16.04 LTS. I don’t like the changes to the UI in 18.xx and I really don’t like dealing with all the vulnerabilities.

                      Ubuntu 16.04 LTS has a more intuitive UI (IMHO) and there are NO vulnreablilities to deal with. NONE!

                      So, for the time being, I’m staying with Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. It’s trouble free and MM loves it, too.

                      I did a test install of Ubuntu 18.04 on a machine I found in someone’s trash. That’s when the vulnerabilities reminded me of why I don’t like 18.xx. Look at the specs. One man’s trash is another man’s treasure.

                      0_1553376079773_GarbagePC.png

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                      • B Offline
                        batfastard
                        last edited by

                        not gonna lie, i actually have a i5 mini pc laying around and have been fiddling with the pis for weeks now trying to get everything dialed in and your post got me a little pumped to be able to use this pc i got.

                        i got ubuntu installed no problem…

                        i know NOTHING about it so i couldnt even get past how to install the wireless adapter lol…

                        so im scrapping this and going back to install raspbian on the pc and will try it at that point.

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                        • justjim1220J Offline
                          justjim1220 Module Developer @Mykle1
                          last edited by

                          @Mykle1 Nice Find! :)

                          "Life's Too Short To Dance With Ugly People"
                          Jim Hallock - 1995

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                          • justjim1220J Offline
                            justjim1220 Module Developer @Mykle1
                            last edited by

                            @Mykle1

                            I had version 18.xx installed, up and going just fine on my dev machine

                            I am used to dealing with vulnerabilities, since I mainly work with Windows

                            But, I just have my mindset to run npm audit fix --force & npm i lodash@4.17.5 -g & npm i acorn@^6.0.0 -g after every install of MM2. only takes a few minutes extra and it fixes all the vulnerabilities. Except for a few that come with some of the modules. With Ubuntu 18.xx, if I remember, I think just the npm audit fix --force was all I needed to do.

                            "Life's Too Short To Dance With Ugly People"
                            Jim Hallock - 1995

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                            • Mykle1M Offline
                              Mykle1 Project Sponsor Module Developer @justjim1220
                              last edited by

                              @justjim1220

                              Yes, as I said, I too had ubuntu 18.xx and MM up and running. I just prefer NOT to deal with any vulnerabilities which 16.04 doesn’t have. I don’t know of any benefit to running 18.xx over 16.04 and, as I stated, I’m not a fan of the new UI in 18.xx. I ran MM over Windows when I first started. The disadvantages quickly became apparent. Hello-Lucy never would have happened if I didn’t leave Windows behind. I never looked back. :-)

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                              • Mykle1M Offline
                                Mykle1 Project Sponsor Module Developer
                                last edited by Mykle1

                                By popular demand

                                Install ubuntu 16.04LTS (internet connection HIGHLY recommended)

                                You MUST (check box) “Install 3rd Party Drivers” during installation

                                Fully update the installation via the software manager after installation (It often needs to)

                                Install node (includes npm) (I use node 8 )

                                1. curl -sL https://deb.nodesource.com/setup_8.x | sudo -E bash -

                                It will ask you if you want to install curl (gives you the command). Do so. Then run #1 again

                                1. This will complete the installation of node and npm

                                sudo apt-get install -y nodejs

                                1. Check for success of node and npm installation in your terminal.

                                run node -v (this will show your version)
                                run npm -v (this will show your version)

                                Now install MM

                                Run git clone https://github.com/MichMich/MagicMirror.git in your terminal

                                You may be asked to install git here. Do so. Use the command presented to you in the terminal

                                Then run git clone https://github.com/MichMich/MagicMirror.git again

                                Then cd MagicMirror and run npm install

                                Then run your mirror npm start

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                                • Cliff365C Offline
                                  Cliff365
                                  last edited by

                                  I know this thread is quite old, hoping @Mykle1 or someone still looks at it.

                                  I followed the instructions and have a MM running on my Acer Revo. However, when I start MagicMirror, all I see is a blank screen. I have pm2 and electron installed, where do I find the logfile to try to track down the issue?

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                                  • S Offline
                                    sdetweil @Cliff365
                                    last edited by

                                    @cliff365 is it before adding any modules? or after?

                                    if after see here
                                    https://forum.magicmirror.builders/topic/15778/fix-for-black-screen-in-2-16-and-later

                                    if before do

                                    pm2 stop all
pm2 flush
pm2 start 0
pm2 logs --lines=50

                                    Sam

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                                    • Cliff365C Offline
                                      Cliff365 @Cliff365
                                      last edited by

                                      Thanks @sdetweil , I entered the lines, but I had a bit of a problem getting MM to not restart while I tried to capture the logs. Hope this provides some insight:

                                      0|MagicMirror  | Starting server on port 8080 ... 
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:25.52.307] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | Server started ...
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:25.52.312] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | Connecting socket for: updatenotification
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:25.52.316] [LOG]   Sockets connected & modules started ...
0|MagicMirror  | (electron:4583): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: g_dbus_connection_register_object: assertion 'G_IS_DBUS_CONNECTION (connection)' failed
0|MagicMirror  | (electron:4583): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: g_dbus_connection_register_object: assertion 'G_IS_DBUS_CONNECTION (connection)' failed
0|MagicMirror  | (electron:4583): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: g_dbus_connection_get_unique_name: assertion 'G_IS_DBUS_CONNECTION (connection)' failed
0|MagicMirror  | [4583:1217/162552.823896:ERROR:bus.cc(393)] Failed to connect to the bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-rSguYNpjNi: Connection refused
0|MagicMirror  | [4583:1217/162552.824839:ERROR:bus.cc(393)] Failed to connect to the bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-rSguYNpjNi: Connection refused
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:25.52.921] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | Launching application.
0|MagicMirror  | [4583:1217/162553.058857:ERROR:bus.cc(393)] Failed to connect to the bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-rSguYNpjNi: Connection refused
0|MagicMirror  | [4613:1217/162553.640227:ERROR:sandbox_linux.cc(376)] InitializeSandbox() called with multiple threads in process gpu-process.
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.01.616] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | Shutting down server...
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.01.618] [LOG]   Stopping module helper: updatenotification
PM2            | App [MagicMirror:0] exited with code [0] via signal [SIGINT]
PM2            | App [MagicMirror:0] starting in -fork mode-
PM2            | App [MagicMirror:0] online
0|MagicMirror  | > magicmirror@2.17.1 start /home/cliff/MagicMirror
0|MagicMirror  | > DISPLAY="${DISPLAY:=:0}" ./node_modules/.bin/electron js/electron.js
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.06.425] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | Starting MagicMirror: v2.17.1
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.06.446] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | Loading config ...
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.06.466] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | Loading module helpers ...
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.06.487] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | No helper found for module: alert.
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.06.550] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | Initializing new module helper ...
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.06.555] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | Module helper loaded: updatenotification
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.06.559] [LOG]   No helper found for module: clock.
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.06.563] [LOG]   All module helpers loaded.
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.06.846] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | Starting server on port 8080 ... 
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.06.895] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | Server started ...
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.06.900] [LOG]   Connecting socket for: updatenotification
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.06.905] [LOG]   Sockets connected & modules started ...
0|MagicMirror  | (electron:4673): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: g_dbus_connection_register_object: assertion 'G_IS_DBUS_CONNECTION (connection)' failed
0|MagicMirror  | (electron:4673): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: g_dbus_connection_register_object: assertion 'G_IS_DBUS_CONNECTION (connection)' failed
0|MagicMirror  | (electron:4673): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: g_dbus_connection_get_unique_name: assertion 'G_IS_DBUS_CONNECTION (connection)' failed
0|MagicMirror  | [4673:1217/162607.415011:ERROR:bus.cc(393)] Failed to connect to the bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-rSguYNpjNi: Connection refused
0|MagicMirror  | [4673:1217/162607.415886:ERROR:bus.cc(393)] Failed to connect to the bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-rSguYNpjNi: Connection refused
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.07.530] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | Launching application.
0|MagicMirror  | [4673:1217/162607.651240:ERROR:bus.cc(393)] Failed to connect to the bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-rSguYNpjNi: Connection refused
0|MagicMirror  | [4705:1217/162608.260106:ERROR:sandbox_linux.cc(376)] InitializeSandbox() called with multiple threads in process gpu-process.
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.09.807] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | Shutting down server...
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.09.811] [LOG]   Stopping module helper: updatenotification
PM2            | App [MagicMirror:0] exited with code [0] via signal [SIGINT]
PM2            | App [MagicMirror:0] starting in -fork mode-
PM2            | App [MagicMirror:0] online
0|MagicMirror  | > magicmirror@2.17.1 start /home/cliff/MagicMirror
0|MagicMirror  | > DISPLAY="${DISPLAY:=:0}" ./node_modules/.bin/electron js/electron.js
^A0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.14.742] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | Starting MagicMirror: v2.17.1
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.14.762] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | Loading config ...
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.14.779] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | Loading module helpers ...
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.14.787] [LOG]   No helper found for module: alert.
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.14.838] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | Initializing new module helper ...
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.14.843] [LOG]   
0|MagicMirror  | Module helper loaded: updatenotification
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.14.848] [LOG]   No helper found for module: clock.
0|MagicMirror  | [17.12.2021 16:26.14.851] [LOG]   All module helpers loaded.
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                                      • S Offline
                                        sdetweil @Cliff365
                                        last edited by sdetweil

                                        @cliff365 this post seems to imply installing as root and running as user or vice versa.

                                        https://forum.magicmirror.builders/topic/8464/back-screan-when-start-up-an-errors

                                        delete the mm folder and use my script

                                        https://github.com/sdetweil/MagicMirror_scripts

                                        do NOT use sudo , and use a normal user, not logon as root

                                        Sam

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                                          Cliff365 @sdetweil
                                          last edited by

                                          @sdetweil You are amazing! I wish I knew Linux as well I know Windows, but so it goes. Your suggestion worked! Thanks again!

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